black_CG2
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But can it tow?
hmm.....
But can it tow?
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Bolt is out - 300+ range
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It's been out for a while .... just very sporadically, especially here in Canada and most non-west coast US states.
Can it tow? Surely it will .... https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Chevrolet/Bolt+EV/2017/C11457.html?vehicleid=201751562 ....... just keep in mind your range will suffer accordingly. Probably not a car one should consider if you have towing requirements higher than once in blue moon and light.
Can it tow? Surely it will .... https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Chevrolet/Bolt+EV/2017/C11457.html?vehicleid=201751562 ....... just keep in mind your range will suffer accordingly. Probably not a car one should consider if you have towing requirements higher than once in blue moon and light.
"It consists of 288 individual cells in five sections, 10 modules and 96 cell groups. The pack comes with an eight-year/160,000 km warranty that guarantees a minimum of 65 per cent of the original capacity at the end of the warranty period.
When this is the only source of power for the car, it’s natural to question its bona fides but Harry Ng, Product Manager for the Bolt, told me that while similar individual cells in the Chevy Volt have been replaced on occasion, GM has never had to replace a battery pack so far.
Yes, the battery pack is substantial, weighing in at 435 kg. But that mass of potential power translates into an estimated 383 km range, or just over 200 miles."
wtf, that's not great. Theoretical 383 km range now, will be down to ~250 km theoretical within 10 years? It will be interesting to see how the real ranges are working out. I like to keep cars for 10 years, if the range does fall off this much, the bolt is entirely out of consideration. I would have liked to see 80%+ guaranteed at 10 years. They obviously picked 65 for a reason, so they are probably expecting 70 or so as a reasonable rating.
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48,000 for a sonic??? That buys a crap ton of gas.
When this is the only source of power for the car, it’s natural to question its bona fides but Harry Ng, Product Manager for the Bolt, told me that while similar individual cells in the Chevy Volt have been replaced on occasion, GM has never had to replace a battery pack so far.
Yes, the battery pack is substantial, weighing in at 435 kg. But that mass of potential power translates into an estimated 383 km range, or just over 200 miles."
wtf, that's not great. Theoretical 383 km range now, will be down to ~250 km theoretical within 10 years? It will be interesting to see how the real ranges are working out. I like to keep cars for 10 years, if the range does fall off this much, the bolt is entirely out of consideration. I would have liked to see 80%+ guaranteed at 10 years. They obviously picked 65 for a reason, so they are probably expecting 70 or so as a reasonable rating.
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48,000 for a sonic??? That buys a crap ton of gas.
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I think they've set this up intentionally on the side of caution. Will there be not a single Bolt with degradation as low as 65% in 8 years ... surely will, but it will not be the majority, on contrary, would be my guess (BTW, the battery is usually "bigger" than they claim in specs, assuming there will be some degradation ....). It all depends on the driving/charging patterns etc. ..... hard to really know for certain. I would rather predict 8 years 80% and that is fine for most people I would think. Also, it will not matter much to new owners as I expect most people leasing anyways. At best, it will influence resale value of a used-after-lease unit.
At some point, increase the battery size and keeping the whole ICE unit stops making a sense. What capacity you think you need?
The battery on the Bolt is apparently more like 65kwh, not 60, to allow for degradation. GM has also been extremely cautious in how they set up the software and battery management, to the point that there are Volt's with 300,000 Miles and no discernible degradation. Naturally there is battery degradation, but the driver is not seeing a decrease in available range. Of course, in ten years, the cost of the pack should also be substantially less so it will very likely make economic sense to replace as long as the rest of the car is in good shape.
~250kms range on pure electric. One-way to cottage country. Then enough gas range to come home, 'cause I'm unlikely to have adequate charging equipment at the cottage, if I can charge at all.
The current Volt is inadequate - I run out of electric power just running an errand to Mississauga and back. It feels like little more than a tech demo.
And the Bolt is not even an option right now because my condo building is not EV-enabled.
daught
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I don't think so....majority of 4x4 never go off roading anyway. I didn't know the X5 came in electric yet when I went to check out the charge station below our building....boom beautiful X5 charing up. I was shocked but happy to see it there.
I think it's a matter of bringing cars that people want to buy. Are there even any SUVs in EV tech? (outside of the X5 that I saw)
J_F
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the SUV AWD crowd sure, they'd be open to EV's
I was thinking about the Grab Life By the Horns, Monster sticker in the back window bros
truck could go 1,000 km for 5 cent charge and they'd never buy one
Condos with 400 parking spaces aren't rare. Adding that feature to a new building would make for a noticeable price bump. For an older building scary big.
My CAA magazine came in and has a short write up on the Bolt.
Base Price $42,795 less rebate of $12,389
Some braking options that will be a challenge for people that can't figure out turn signals or high beams.
Recharging can be done from a 120 volt outlet but a 12 hour charge only gets you 77 kms of driving. So drive to the shack Friday night and immediately plug in. Don't go anywhere in the car over the weekend and Sunday night you should be good for about 300 kms.
The EV problem keeps coming back to the inability to refill the tank, so to speak, in five minutes at the nearest of many thousands of existing gas stations.
If you believe Ford, the model T changed the world. Go anywhere and reduced pollution (No more horse poo and no more dead horses rotting at the side of the road). If Auntie Kathy waved her magic wand and all of our vehicles were converted to pure EVs overnight we would mostly survive but our concepts of life would change.
Shopping would have to be planned. When I lived near High Park many decades ago I could walk to a grocery, shoe or hardware store, a block or two away. Now a person living there has to drive or take alternate transportation to a distant big box area. You could drive but remember a one hour 120 volt top up only gets you about 6 kms, 3 kms each way. Could we see a return to small neighbourhood stores?
Are you going to use up precious kilowatts to go for a coffee or just brew your own?
To keep a full tank of electrons means plugging in every time you stop. Pulling out the cord and going through the routine could get a bit tiresome but if you don't and suddenly you have to go somewhere you don't have the range or the time to acquire the range. Life is going to be less flexible.
I recall a M/C trip to Amish country in Ohio (Nice riding BTW) and meeting an old Amish farmer. In discussion it came out that his wife had died and he remarried. He said she was a good woman but she wanted to visit her family every weekend and they lived THIRTEEN MILES AWAY. We do that for a coffee.
Horses have an advantage over EVs. With horses buy two and get one free....in a year or so.
this scenario which is common for the majority, is where a 50mpg hybrid makes the most sense.
GateKeeper
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Plain and simple......EV's are not for everyone
Why such negativity, it's great for those that can use it within it's means, and those that cannot should not even be looking at one, stick with a conventional vehicle or a hybrid, as one can see and plain as day that a pure EV is not for you...
I am a great candidate for an EV, and it will probably be one of my next vehicles, I have 6 km round trip to work and back, I can use the company vehicle for any errands during the day, I don't have a cottage to go to, or any other long distance place, most vacations are in Europe, or some hot destination so needing a car to get there isn't necessary anyways, to go shopping takes 5 minutes of commuting, OK maybe 15, but there are outlets for EV's, or I just will plug in at home, as it will be set up for 220 or 120 or whatever is required, as it is a home, not a condo, or a rental or......
now if none of the above was true, well I wouldn't be bashing the EV vehicles, I just wouldn't get one, ohh and just for the times I do need to go further or carry more, I will keep my SUV, and if need be once it's dead and gone, I would get another.
Tesla Model 3, reservation will be in the next 2 weeks, on holidays so need to do something, as its a stay at home vacation.....
Why such negativity, it's great for those that can use it within it's means, and those that cannot should not even be looking at one, stick with a conventional vehicle or a hybrid, as one can see and plain as day that a pure EV is not for you...
I am a great candidate for an EV, and it will probably be one of my next vehicles, I have 6 km round trip to work and back, I can use the company vehicle for any errands during the day, I don't have a cottage to go to, or any other long distance place, most vacations are in Europe, or some hot destination so needing a car to get there isn't necessary anyways, to go shopping takes 5 minutes of commuting, OK maybe 15, but there are outlets for EV's, or I just will plug in at home, as it will be set up for 220 or 120 or whatever is required, as it is a home, not a condo, or a rental or......
now if none of the above was true, well I wouldn't be bashing the EV vehicles, I just wouldn't get one, ohh and just for the times I do need to go further or carry more, I will keep my SUV, and if need be once it's dead and gone, I would get another.
Tesla Model 3, reservation will be in the next 2 weeks, on holidays so need to do something, as its a stay at home vacation.....
I agree. GM's just doing the "Cover your ***" routine with the 65% figure - reality is most will maintain FAR more than that, probably 80-90%, but if they didn't state the 65% figure you know without doubt someone would sue them.
I suspect the 65% figure is absolute worst case scenario - someone who depletes the battery flat dead before every charge, lives in a stupid hot climate like Arizona, relies on DCFC excessively, and generally "abuses" (using the term loosely) the battery in every way possible.
The average owner who rarely uses the full battery capacity (which face it, is the overwhelming majority of people) and charge it routinely before it even reaches 50/75% of depleted capacity, lives in a moderate climate, and only uses DCFC when necessary, well, I'm extremely confident saying that actual ranges will stay quite healthy.
Using the Volt batteries as an example is exactly right - GM engineers nailed it with the Volt - ours (with 145,000KM on the odometer) still easily exceeds the stated factory range by a significant amount.
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