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Sanitizing History???

nobbie48

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There are riots in the southern states over the planned removal of civil war statues and I have mixed emotions.

A few years ago there were protests over the flying of the Confederate Flag.

At Gettysburg there are statutes to the generals that served there. If the horse was standing on all four legs the general served. If the horse has a leg raised the general was wounded and if the horse was reared up he died. Are they to be torn down?

Are they symbols of oppression or historical memorials?

Being white I have limited vision of the situation but I'm concerned about destroying history. It should be clear that the monuments are historic items representing a long dark period in American history.

Up here some time back there was a movement to ban Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice" because of anti Semitic overtones.

Similarly "Porgy and Bess" faced criticism because of racial stereotyping.
 
Please don't accept, embrace and give weight to the notion that because you're white you don't understand of have a valid opinion. Giving away your rights, helps to strip me of mine.

As for the recent stupidity in the south; it was philosopher George Santayana who said "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."
 
To quote Trump, So what about George Washington & Thomas Jefferson? They were slave owners too.
 
Numbers are exaggerated, but they have a point.

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The monuments and memorials in Gettysburg are 99% Union.
 
You think this is about statues?
 
Leave the statues in place and make sure the plaque tells the entire story, including all the bad things (maybe even start with them). Now we will not forget history and it will be harder to worship these people.
 
Didn`t ISIS destroy monuments in the middle east .
 
You think this is about statues?

The statues were erected between 1900 and 1920, during the Jim Crow years, celebrating recessionists and traitors.
Americans have always had a way of rewriting history (see: Viet Nam), this is nothing new.
White supremists and the KKK have no place in a true democratic society, which the U.S.A. has never been, contrary to what they'd like you to believe.
 
Didn`t ISIS destroy monuments in the middle east .


So, wait? You think the Charlottesville City Council is akin to ISIS? I'd love to hear you expand on this. Are the city's elected officials trying to gain territory to form a Charlottesvillian state? What would that look like? Is the mayor, or the woman who first suggested moving the statue, looking to sell women into slavery? How many people of different religions/sects have the city council beheaded thus far? This is fascinating stuff.
 
Went to Gettysburg this year. Lots of people from the South died there, not many monuments. Their bodies tended to be left to rot by the North, and corpses were thoroughly checked to be Northern before being buried. One man had his property confiscated, and all of the Northern dead buried on it. It took years for his family to reclaim the land, and by then they had to settle for a payout from the government of the time. That's the whole thing, atrocities by the victor tend to be ignored, and the defeated exaggerated.

"Legally, the last 40,000-45,000 slaves were freed in the last two slave states of Kentucky and Delaware[SUP][165][/SUP] by the final ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution on December 18, 1865.
Slaves still held in Tennessee, Kentucky, Kansas, New Jersey, Delaware, West Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, Washington, D.C., and twelve parishes of Louisiana[SUP][166][/SUP] also became legally free on this date."
 
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The statues were erected between 1900 and 1920, during the Jim Crow years, celebrating recessionists and traitors.
Americans have always had a way of rewriting history (see: Viet Nam), this is nothing new.
White supremists and the KKK have no place in a true democratic society, which the U.S.A. has never been, contrary to what they'd like you to believe.

The statues, and their removal are merely a symbol of the underlying problem. The American Civil War never really ended for some people.

Nazi's and supremacists are scum. They need to be stomped on, hard.
 
The statues are tributes, do we want to pay tribute to those that fought to keep men enslaved?
To many the confederate flag is akin to the nazi flag. While distasteful here the nazi flag is outright banned overseas.

Have you been to mainland Europe?

There are many, MANY war memorials. The properties that many (possibly all) of the Nazi concentration camps were on, are war memorials. The need to remember the ugly parts of the past, in the interest of not repeating it, is well known. Part of that is the need to not glorify those who were responsible, hence the ban on some symbols.
 
So, wait? You think the Charlottesville City Council is akin to ISIS? I'd love to hear you expand on this. Are the city's elected officials trying to gain territory to form a Charlottesvillian state? What would that look like? Is the mayor, or the woman who first suggested moving the statue, looking to sell women into slavery? How many people of different religions/sects have the city council beheaded thus far? This is fascinating stuff.

They are trying to get rid historic statues that offend them ? Just like ISIS getting rid of statutes that offend them . ISIS to rewrite history . The left to erase that slavery existed ?
 
Have you been to mainland Europe?

There are many, MANY war memorials. The properties that many (possibly all) of the Nazi concentration camps were on, are war memorials. The need to remember the ugly parts of the past, in the interest of not repeating it, is well known. Part of that is the need to not glorify those who were responsible, hence the ban on some symbols.

A war memorial is not a tribute to the ilk that fought to enslave or exterminate others, that is the difference.
 
The statues, and their removal are merely a symbol of the underlying problem. The American Civil War never really ended for some people.

Nazi's and supremacists are scum. They need to be stomped on, hard.

Poor ignorant people everywhere need to be stomped! ;)

Did the last time you got stomped on do you good?
 

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