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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Glad we got ours last year would have bought something else without the rebate

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I'm guessing the rebates will dwindle away in most places as they didn't generate a reduction in carbon footprint that was 'good value' for the public dollars. I hope they continue to look for interesting ways to reduce emissions - maybe small displacement bikes and e-buses will get their shot. Both would be much better at reducing carbon plus they could contribute greatly to reducing urban vehicular congestion.
 
Getting about 70-75km on battery so that tells me very little range loss over 6 years (if any).
I don't know about battery changes and if there is a range difference between yours when it was brand new vs. the current 2018's, but FWIW in these temps, my 2018 typically gets around 95km/charge.
In the winter it was getting around 70-75km/charge when it was brand new.

I'm pleasantly surprise at how little range loss occurs with the AC on during these crazy temps.
 
US had the rebate scaling back based on how many cars a manufacturer had sold. Tesla hit the threshold so IIRC vehicles delivered in 2019 get half the original rebate. AFAIK, Ontario never contemplated winding the program up. They implemented it and would deal with the future later when it became politically convenient.

I'm with SS, I think used PIEV prices will rise a few grand. Without the 14K on new vehicles, the market for affordable PIEV's (eg Volt, bolt, Clarity) is probably dead. Tesla has enough fanboys that they will still move some 3's (and obviously the S and X were out already so they will be unaffected). The jump in used vehicle prices will be roughly the fuel/maintenance savings expected over the equivalent conventional vehicle. Anything more than that is idiotic.
I think the opposite will happen. Sales of the entry level EV will fall, that will increase doubt and consumer confidence in the long term support for their cars -- you'll probably see a decline in used EV prices, similar to what happened when VW diesels were demarketed.
 
I don't know about battery changes and if there is a range difference between yours when it was brand new vs. the current 2018's, but FWIW in these temps, my 2018 typically gets around 95km/charge.
In the winter it was getting around 70-75km/charge when it was brand new.

I'm pleasantly surprise at how little range loss occurs with the AC on during these crazy temps.
I tried to drive as efficiently as possible this weekend on a car road trip in my Cruze. Went from Markham to Kushog on 11.5l of fuel -- 4.9l/100km. Came back driving normally with AC, stayed below 90KMH and hit 6.2/100. Not cheaper than a Volt, but cheap enought that a Volt could not fall below my 4 year cost of ownership -- even with a $14K rebate.
 
I tried to drive as efficiently as possible this weekend on a car road trip in my Cruze. Went from Markham to Kushog on 11.5l of fuel -- 4.9l/100km. Came back driving normally with AC, stayed below 90KMH and hit 6.2/100. Not cheaper than a Volt, but cheap enought that a Volt could not fall below my 4 year cost of ownership -- even with a $14K rebate.

It is really amazing how fuel efficient modern vehicles are getting (even without hybrid wizardry). I got 7.5 L/100 km out of a V6 AWD ~5000 lb SUV yesterday on a 200 km drive. How is that possible? As cool as it is to avoid gas stations for months, financially it will be quite a while before it makes sense.
 
Not cheaper than a Volt....
A) In around 8,000km so far, I'm sitting around 0.7l/per 100km.
B) I think I've filled up 3 times in 8,000km and this current tank looks to take me around 4000km.
C) I've probably passed about 1000 Cruze's on my commute home as I drive in the HOV lane on my daily commute - it could be closer to 2000
D) I've probably saved about 1000 minutes taking the HOV lane in the few short months - this could also be closer to 2000
E) Without doing the math, that's perhaps around 500 litres of fuel not spent pumping at some gas station
I'll take the Volt over the Cruze any day and this doesn't take into account anything to do with money. (even with a $14k rebate)
 
I tried to drive as efficiently as possible this weekend on a car road trip in my Cruze. Went from Markham to Kushog on 11.5l of fuel -- 4.9l/100km. Came back driving normally with AC, stayed below 90KMH and hit 6.2/100. Not cheaper than a Volt, but cheap enought that a Volt could not fall below my 4 year cost of ownership -- even with a $14K rebate.

A road trip or longer highway commutes isn’t really where the Volt shines.

If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its entire life believing it is stupid.

While my car was parked with the dirtbike in tow a dozer operator asked me how far I could go on battery. I told him 70-75 km. He laughed and called it a stupid useless car.

It’s not for everyone.
 
A road trip or longer highway commutes isn’t really where the Volt shines.

If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its entire life believing it is stupid.

While my car was parked with the dirtbike in tow a dozer operator asked me how far I could go on battery. I told him 70-75 km. He laughed and called it a stupid useless car.

It’s not for everyone.

I have a feeling the guy thought it was a BEV and when the battery was done, it's done.

But, even full electric range of 70km is perfectly usable for a huge number of drivers, especially in cities. Aside from the third party research that has the empirical data, GM's data collection through all of the cars with Onstar (don't have to be an active subscriber) shows the same thing.


And to the point made that the Volt vs Cruze doesn't calculate, it's no secret or new found conclusion that if you're driving a very fuel efficient car right now, the most cost effective option with the lowest carbon footprint is to keep driving that very fuel efficient car, vs replacing it with a new EV or PHEV. The calculus changes only if the EV or PHEV is bought used and its purchase price is much lower, and the gas vehicle needs to be replaced.
 
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A) In around 8,000km so far, I'm sitting around 0.7l/per 100km.
B) I think I've filled up 3 times in 8,000km and this current tank looks to take me around 4000km.
C) I've probably passed about 1000 Cruze's on my commute home as I drive in the HOV lane on my daily commute - it could be closer to 2000
D) I've probably saved about 1000 minutes taking the HOV lane in the few short months - this could also be closer to 2000
E) Without doing the math, that's perhaps around 500 litres of fuel not spent pumping at some gas station
I'll take the Volt over the Cruze any day and this doesn't take into account anything to do with money. (even with a $14k rebate)
If I had to commute, I'd probably dive in just for the HOV lanes.

My office is close to home, all on city streets - my biggest obstacle isn't gas or traffic, it's 27 stop lights in my 9km commute.
 
5700km and still have half the original tank of gas left from when I got it new.

It all depends on your needs.
 
Just took the Volt in to a local Chev dealer to check and update software in the car as required. Also had them do a coolant flush on the battery cooling system. Should be good for another 5 years until that service is due again.

5700km and still have half the original tank of gas left from when I got it new.

It all depends on your needs.

Impressive!!
 
While all you guys are bragging about how little gas you use, how come no one mentions their electricity consumption?

Are you all stealing the power from your workplace or mooching elsewhere?

It's also pretty funny that there is a thread this long about being gas frugal on a motorcycle forum. So you don't use any gas in your car, but then piss away gas all weekend long on straight boring Ontario roads burning 19l/100k on your R1.

I live pretty close to work and only spend about $40 per month on fuel 'commuting' (one tank per month). And it isn't electric or a hybrid.
Plenty of people have mentioned their electricity usage. It's never enough to eliminate the gas savings.

If you can find a fuel efficient bike that might meet a rider's requirements feel free to let us all know. The point is that the Volt owners don't have to sacrifice anything from what they'd normally drive, yet still save tons of gas and money.

There are plenty of people who will make sacrifices to reduce their fuel consumption, but they're not likely bikers, or if they are they might ride Zeros.
 
Anyway, as great as plug-in electric cars may be, plugin users seem like the biggest leeches out there. $14000 purchase rebates and then they expect their employer to give them free electricity to charge it.

If electric cars are so great, buy it and charge it your damn selves, bunch of socialist moochers all of you.

I only charge mine at home.

Why you so mad?
 
Anyway, as great as plug-in electric cars may be, plugin users seem like the biggest leeches out there. $14000 purchase rebates and then they expect their employer to give them free electricity to charge it.

If electric cars are so great, buy it and charge it your damn selves, bunch of socialist moochers all of you.
Name one that expected their employer to give them free electricity.

As for the $14,000 nobody asked, it was offered. Would you turn it down?
 

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