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I'm all for helping others out;

...but, why don't we try to do a better job at dealing with our homeless / less fortunate / poverty stricken populace first before we take in more people that become an even larger drain on our already inefficient social service systems.

We should be more like Australia.
 
miggs said:
I'm all for helping others out;

...but, why don't we try to do a better job at dealing with our homeless / less fortunate / poverty stricken populace first before we take in more people that become an even larger drain on our already inefficient social service systems.

We should be more like Australia.
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These are not mutually exclusive activities - we must do both.
 
I just finished reading the following book
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B01NB...AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=trumping+trudeau

It starts to make sense if the link in the book is true: Trudeau, his inter circle, Soros, Democratic Party in US. It seems the best interest of Canada and common Canadian are never on Trudeau's priority list. No wonder Chinese call him "little potato":)


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miggs said:
I'm all for helping others out;

...but, why don't we try to do a better job at dealing with our homeless / less fortunate / poverty stricken populace first before we take in more people that become an even larger drain on our already inefficient social service systems.

We should be more like Australia.
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We can and should and actually do both. We can also do better on all fronts.

One general problem, the people that want us to only help our existing citizens (and are the typical anti-immigrant right-wing white fright crowd) are the same people that want to shut down or reduce all the programs that aim to help them (Canadians). Very few of them support ideas like guaranteed basic income, increased welfare, taxes being used to provide free university education, etc. So help Canadians first is a great idea but instead they start crying about socialism... I am all for increasing this help.

As for immigration, we have a constricting population pyramid (east coast is really bad BTW). Without dramatically increased birth rates we do not have a sustainable society. Immigration and yes refugees help to make our country sustainable, and have for a long time. They also tend to be hard workers and become contributors to the tax base as opposed to the lazy growing house on wheels crowd that were born here and decided for generations to do nothing (of course there are always exceptions).
 
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backmarkerducati said:
We can and should and actually do both. We can also do better on all fronts.

One general problem, the people that want us to only help our existing citizens (and are the typical anti-immigrant right-wing white fright crowd) are the same people that want to shut down or reduce all the programs that aim to help them (Canadians). Very few of them support ideas like guaranteed basic income, increased welfare, taxes being used to provide free university education, etc. So help Canadians first is a great idea but instead they start crying about socialism... I am all for increasing this help.

As for immigration, we have a constricting population pyramid (east coast is really bad BTW). Without dramatically increased birth rates we do not have a sustainable society. Immigration and yes refugees help to make our country sustainable, and have for a long time. They also tend to be hard workers and become contributors to the tax base as opposed to the lazy growing house on wheels crowd that were born here and decided for generations to do nothing (of course there are always exceptions).
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Pretty much my sentiments but the subject gets touchy when I want to express my rights.

Smoking is legal in Canada but my home is smoke and largely profanity free. Leave your crap outside. You don't have the right to pollute my space.

If I am being assaulted or starved and you offer me refuge to live in your space I will tolerate your smoke and profanity but will not contribute.

Would that make me a bigot if smoking and swearing were covered some bill of rights?
 
nobbie48 said:
Pretty much my sentiments but the subject gets touchy when I want to express my rights.

Smoking is legal in Canada but my home is smoke and largely profanity free. Leave your crap outside. You don't have the right to pollute my space.

If I am being assaulted or starved and you offer me refuge to live in your space I will tolerate your smoke and profanity but will not contribute.

Would that make me a bigot if smoking and swearing were covered some bill of rights?
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The vast majority that come here want the right to practice their religion and to be treated fairly. These are rights that existed here long before they set foot on Canadian soil (as per our charter...), they are not actually asking for anything new. There are a small minority that want more and want you (us) to change to suit them (I would call them bigots), an even smaller minority that are just entirely bad people. Remember most of these people left to get away from these bad guys.

There is also a small minority (but growing) of Canadians already here for generations that are also demanding we change (or change back to 100 years ago) to suit their religious views (their own version of "sharia law"), including demanding that others do not have the free right to practice their religion. These people are bigots IMO.

To the smoking analogy, bigotry would be being against the "smoking religion" because a few smokers demanded you convert to smoking while the vast majority just wanted to smoke. The challenge with smoking which does make it slightly different as an analogy is the health aspects, so I am talking about the hypothetical smoking religion...

Basically bigotry in this context is painting an entire religion or race based on the actions of a very small minority, making yourself against that religion or race.

PS: There will always be changes to our society as different people merge together. This was the case when Italians came here, Irish, Germans, Japanese, Chinese etc. Different views, in some cases slightly different religions etc. some growing pains and for the most part I think we are all better for it. In most cases the same white fright (or more accurately WASP fright) arguments were made then as today by certain groups. Yes some things have changed, for example Sikh police officers can wear a turban (allowed in the 90s)--I don't have a problem with that, many still do. Life goes on, the world has not ended nor have I been made to wear a turban.
 
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Canada is officially a country for 150 years. In that short time look at what's been accomplished. Compare that to any one of the countries "these" (sorry) people come from. Couple thousand years and the only thing they agree on is which hand to clean the anus with. Seriously I love all earthlings, I sure they'll be happy to note, but keep your eyes wide open.
 
Delboy said:
No you don't - http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/i...children-on-reserve-live-in-poverty-1.3585105

Another broken Trudeau promise.

I would argue that this land actually belongs to them, not to you.
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I agree. I believe that the First Nations in the Americas and Aboriginal Australians (if that term is still correct) have been treated shamelessly for the last 400 years and continue to be so.

I work with a guy who lives in Sydney, Australia and he swears that there are people actually still go into the bush and hunt Aborigines

All of Canada belonged to the First Nations. Successive waves of immigrants have prospered at their expense while they have fallen further and further into poverty due to the policies of successive Liberal and Conservative governments. And its not changing, its very sad. When will Trudeau's money be made available?

Perhaps they should have input on who gets into their country. Maybe there is a retroactive fee from immigrants that's payable to them. Could be collected over a few years as part of the taxation process. Just thinking out loud here.
 
inreb said:
Canada is officially a country for 150 years. In that short time look at what's been accomplished. Compare that to any one of the countries "these" (sorry) people come from. Couple thousand years and the only thing they agree on is which hand to clean the anus with. Seriously I love all earthlings, I sure they'll be happy to note, but keep your eyes wide open.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

At one point they were world leaders, sure it went south but you might want to look at history a little closer even if it does not fit the narrative. By the way, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.... are Arabic numbers (more accurately Hindu-Arabic).

Compare the contrast between what was taking place in Europe regarding STEM at this same time???
 
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backmarkerducati said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

At one point they were world leaders, sure it went south but you might want to look at history a little closer even if it does not fit the narrative. By the way, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.... are Arabic numbers (more accurately Hindu-Arabic).

Compare the contrast between what was taking place in Europe regarding STEM at this same time???
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You can tart it up however you want. You don't see westerners seeking refuge "over there". I know I'm coming across like a pinhead but you have to call 'em as you see 'em.
 
backmarkerducati said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

At one point they were world leaders, sure it went south but you might want to look at history a little closer even if it does not fit the narrative. By the way, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.... are Arabic numbers (more accurately Hindu-Arabic).

Compare the contrast between what was taking place in Europe regarding STEM at this same time???
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You could argue that its really nothing that wasn't happening in Rome, China, India at the time, and I certainly wouldn't consider Alchemy, Astrology, Humorism, etc. to have much validity in the real scientific world. Most of the thinking around Math and Medicine seems to have been inherited from the Ancient Greeks.

In fact, I would argue that China was probably further ahead with inventions like paper, gunpowder, spreading from China across the middle east and Europe.
 
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backmarkerducati said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

At one point they were world leaders, sure it went south but you might want to look at history a little closer even if it does not fit the narrative. By the way, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.... are Arabic numbers (more accurately Hindu-Arabic).

Compare the contrast between what was taking place in Europe regarding STEM at this same time???
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The only relevance to your links is that their beliefs are still medeival.
 
inreb said:
You can tart it up however you want. You don't see westerners seeking refuge "over there". I know I'm coming across like a pinhead but you have to call 'em as you see 'em.
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That would be funny and interesting...you show up to Kuwait or Dubai and ask for refugee status.
 
-D- said:
That would be funny and interesting...you show up to Kuwait or Dubai and ask for refugee status.
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Few countries have reciprocity with regards to immigration.

Oh and P.S. Another four years of this? Who is going to change things other than tie colour?
 
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Clem said:
You could argue that its really nothing that wasn't happening in Rome, China, India at the time, and I certainly wouldn't consider Alchemy, Astrology, Humorism, etc. to have much validity in the real scientific world. Most of the thinking around Math and Medicine seems to have been inherited from the Ancient Greeks.

In fact, I would argue that China was probably further ahead with inventions like paper, gunpowder, spreading from China across the middle east and Europe.
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Well...for one algebra is mostly a Middle East invention....as is the kebab. Also Canadian advances in science are pretty few and far between, we hit well below our weight. The Canadarm? Ask any robotics manufacturer how they would love to have one of their working conditions be "gravity not a problem".
 
jc100 said:
Well...for one algebra is mostly a Middle East invention....as is the kebab. Also Canadian advances in science are pretty few and far between, we hit well below our weight. The Canadarm? Ask any robotics manufacturer how they would love to have one of their working conditions be "gravity not a problem".
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I blame that because of liberal views in Canada. We don't do well in sports or other endeavors
 
We certainly are terrible in hockey and curling and the liberals are to blame, I agree. What or who else would we blame? Low quality ice? Lack of indoor hockey rings ... no-brainer, right?
 
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