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inreb said:
and for reasons so eloquently laid out but the downside is some people don't need/want a rolling high tech boiler room. If one hundred years from now somebody coughs up a lung because I'm riding a simple air cooled bike today I'll take solace that I don't have a lawn, front or back, to maintain. It's all about priorities.
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W/C has issues and is complicated? Really? Meh. I've had W/C bikes for over 25 years. Never had a W/C problem or issue. I've known many many many riders with W/C bikes over the years, as well as W/C bikes with well over a couple hundred thousand kilometers.... no problems. W/C is a non-issue in bikes for >99% of riders. Still easy and simple to work on too. I've done bike work myself. A coolant change takes me 10 minutes and I only need a philips screwdriver. Major services too such as valve adjustment and entire engine removal. No problems or issues with w/c bikes or servicing them.

The point was the A/C design is gone for a reason (emissions). Other than that it's perfectly reasonable for people to carry on with existing old A/C bikes. As noted, a/c yard equipment still exists.

Next thing ya know people here will be saying that carburetors are better than FI. I thanked god when I was able to get away from carbs on bikes. Or better yet, horses are better than cars with engines. All the issues with cars and complications...

mbroyda said:
because hipster
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lol.
 
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kwtoxman said:
W/C has issues and is complicated? Really? Meh. I've had W/C bikes for over 25 years. Never had a W/C problem or issue. I've known many many many riders with W/C bikes over the years, as well as W/C bikes with well over a couple hundred thousand kilometers.... no problems. W/C is a non-issue in bikes for >99% of riders. Still easy and simple to work on too. I've done bike work myself. A coolant change takes me 10 minutes and I only need a philips screwdriver. Major services too such as valve adjustment and entire engine removal. No problems or issues with w/c bikes or servicing them.

The point was the A/C design is gone for a reason (emissions). Other than that it's perfectly reasonable for people to carry on with existing old A/C bikes. As noted, a/c yard equipment still exists.

Next thing ya know people here will be saying that carburetors are better than FI. I thanked god when I was able to get away from carbs on bikes. Or better yet, horses are better than cars with engines. All the issues with cars and complications...
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I don't think I said water cooling is complicated (it isn't), the aforementioned high tech boiler room would be a water cooled engine including all the latest hight tech clean air compliant wizardry (which I appreciate in my car) stuffed into a simple two wheeler. That is all.
 
I was alluding to it but not stoopid enough to say it.
 
That cantilever seat looks kinda awkward when there is a rider on it. Especially a big oversized person who has to hunch up. It makes him look like he is squatting. It needs some kind of bolt-on to fill up all that empty space between the rider's rump and the rear fender.

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Roadghost said:
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Water cooling ads unnecessary complication to a bike. You get the same problems as you do with a car. Head gaskets leaking into the cylinders when the bike gets too hot, and after the winter if it's sitting in the cold. Corrosion, leaks, pump failures and the unwanted PITA of flushing and maintaining the system. The advantage is that you gain slightly better efficiency with tighter cylinder/piston tolerances (because of less expansion and contraction) hence less blow-by and more power. Good for SS riders, but not for anyone else.
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I never had any of the issues above on my water cooled 2006 DL650 V-Strom Adventure bike over the 202,000+ km I rode it. I also never had any of those problems on my 2012 DL650 V-Strom that I had until I sold it at 139,500+ km, and my 2015 DL1000 V-Strom has also had no issues that you mention although I have only had it 15 months and only 65,5000 km on it. (There is a guy on Stromtrooper that has over 400,000 miles on his 2002 DL1000 V-Strom and has never had any of the issues you are talking about.)

I think that whatever concerns you mention regarding water-cooling on bikes is not applicable nowadays.

..Tom
 
Rads look terrible. That's the main knock against WC IMO.

I've sat in peak-summer traffic for long stretches with no issue on the air-cooled FJ. Temp gauge did exceed 120c a couple times but the bike always ran fine.

That said, the type of cooling is unlikely to ever be a factor in my bike-buying decisions. I just like to make noise and scare myself in the corners.
 
crankcall said:
I was reading last night the Edward Turner story, he designed the original 650 engine , was CEO of Triumph and was on record as not liking the Bonneville.
Fast forward 50 yrs, Triumph builds a bobber that looks really correct, has a cafe (thruxton) on market, an effective ADV bike, a well styled scrambler and very cool street bikes. They may have the best marketing and styling team in the business today. The japanese better pay attention again.
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My wife and I were on a road trip last week on our bikes. We stopped in at Triumph USA Headquarters in Atlanta. (My wife rides a Triumph Tiger 800 XRX Low.) We did a tour of their HQ and they certainly are a young, enthusiastic group there! All of them seemed very much into riding. I don''t know what influence they have on the Manufacturing but if the culture there is any indication I could see lots of great exciting stuff coming from them.


..Tom
 
Matt Rain said:
Rads look terrible. That's the main knock against WC IMO.
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Correct. M/C designers as individuals or composite crewed from all genders don't ask "how do we hide the radiator" for no reason. When was the radiator ever a proud design feature? On a motorcycle, never. OTOH, stylized radiators and radiator grills feature prominently in auto design past and present. The lowly fuel tank, taps and gauges not to mention lesser associated foof(braided fuel lines anybody?) all serve to make the custom bike racket the juggernaut it is today. Surely the radiator is number 1 with a bullet away from it's rightful place on the palette of moto porn, just needs the right genius stroke.
 
No thanks. A triumph speed master, America or thunderbird maybe. But not these two, they look like some old Virago or CB that some idiot chopped in his garage. The bobber just screams for a Corbin lol.

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DejaVu said:
That cantilever seat looks kinda awkward when there is a rider on it. Especially a big oversized person who has to hunch up. It makes him look like he is squatting. It needs some kind of bolt-on to fill up all that empty space between the rider's rump and the rear fender.

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Agreed, there's something about that rider triangle that doesn't look right or comfortable. I think Matt Rain is right: The more upright bars might be better.

That bike looks nice but I don't think I'd enjoy riding it.
 
That seat support is gonna snap in two at the worst moment, don't care what those engineers say. Then the rider and bike will both be bobbed, lol.
 
Flywheel said:
That seat support is gonna snap in two at the worst moment, don't care what those engineers say. Then the rider and bike will both be bobbed, lol.
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agreed, seat looks odd, move the seat back
however it looks like they could have used that space to mount the seat on some sort of shock/spring for super comfort at least
 
V-Tom said:
I never had any of the issues above on my water cooled 2006 DL650 V-Strom Adventure bike over the 202,000+ km I rode it. I also never had any of those problems on my 2012 DL650 V-Strom that I had until I sold it at 139,500+ km, and my 2015 DL1000 V-Strom has also had no issues that you mention although I have only had it 15 months and only 65,5000 km on it. (There is a guy on Stromtrooper that has over 400,000 miles on his 2002 DL1000 V-Strom and has never had any of the issues you are talking about.)

I think that whatever concerns you mention regarding water-cooling on bikes is not applicable nowadays.

..Tom
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I'm sure if you took good care of the bike you wouldn't have any problems. But... I don't have to take care because I don't have the problem. When I was in Redondo Beach, Ca. this summer I stopped for a bite to eat, parking next to a couple of SS bikes, one of which was leaking coolant in a lovely phosphorescent stream. At that point I thanked the AC Gods for what I didn't have. If 99.9% of LC bikes don't have a liquid coolant problem, I can assure you that 100% of AC bikes don't. Since e-testing doesn't happen with bikes, there really is no reason to have LC unless you are a serious track guy. Why on earth they put it on dual-sports is beyond me. I've seen plenty of stories of guys having rad leaks in far-flung places and I just can't understand the logic of the engine choice. Other than meeting emissions targets, or perhaps even noise targets (LC is usually more quiet) there just is no advantage on a motorcycle. But it's whatever floats your boat in this game.
 
I ride in the desert alot, we see lots of off road LC bikes since most of the current model designs are leaning that way and most of the guys riding dual sport and off road bikes have gone the extra effort with rad guards and hose covers. Most times when you meet a stopped bike on the trail its not LC issues, but as RG says, its never an air cooled bike with LC issues. And bikes rode around in the desert for 80 yrs before LC became the new standard.

I do like the fact I get consistent engine temps and it makes more consistent power, but I would ride either, guilt free.
 
-D- said:
Let's home they are mechanically solid, no oil or electrical problems.
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That was generations ago. Today's Triumphs are as reliable as any other mainstream brand.
DejaVu said:
That cantilever seat looks kinda awkward when there is a rider on it. Especially a big oversized person who has to hunch up. It makes him look like he is squatting. It needs some kind of bolt-on to fill up all that empty space between the rider's rump and the rear fender.

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I'm certain the seat can be moved fore and aft. Forward = up, back = down.

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Roadghost said:
I'm sure if you took good care of the bike you wouldn't have any problems. But... I don't have to take care because I don't have the problem. When I was in Redondo Beach, Ca. this summer I stopped for a bite to eat, parking next to a couple of SS bikes, one of which was leaking coolant in a lovely phosphorescent stream. At that point I thanked the AC Gods for what I didn't have. If 99.9% of LC bikes don't have a liquid coolant problem, I can assure you that 100% of AC bikes don't. Since e-testing doesn't happen with bikes, there really is no reason to have LC unless you are a serious track guy. Why on earth they put it on dual-sports is beyond me. I've seen plenty of stories of guys having rad leaks in far-flung places and I just can't understand the logic of the engine choice. Other than meeting emissions targets, or perhaps even noise targets (LC is usually more quiet) there just is no advantage on a motorcycle. But it's whatever floats your boat in this game.
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I've ridden a LC street bike since 1986, off road since 1999 and never had any of the issues you mention. As for off road, in tight woods a LC bike is a much better alternative to an old AC anchor.
 
Roadghost said:
I'm sure if you took good care of the bike you wouldn't have any problems. But... I don't have to take care because I don't have the problem. When I was in Redondo Beach, Ca. this summer I stopped for a bite to eat, parking next to a couple of SS bikes, one of which was leaking coolant in a lovely phosphorescent stream. At that point I thanked the AC Gods for what I didn't have. If 99.9% of LC bikes don't have a liquid coolant problem, I can assure you that 100% of AC bikes don't. Since e-testing doesn't happen with bikes, there really is no reason to have LC unless you are a serious track guy. Why on earth they put it on dual-sports is beyond me. I've seen plenty of stories of guys having rad leaks in far-flung places and I just can't understand the logic of the engine choice. Other than meeting emissions targets, or perhaps even noise targets (LC is usually more quiet) there just is no advantage on a motorcycle. But it's whatever floats your boat in this game.
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As far as taking care goes I can't say I do much at all and probably do way less than most people. I change the oil and filter, change brake pads, have the valves checked twice in the time I will own the bike, lube the chain with every fill-up and after every rain ride (this takes about 10 or 15 seconds), have the chain and sprockets replaced somewhere between 70,000 and 80,000 km and will do the coolant every 2nd or 3rd year.

Seriously you can't use maintenance as an excuse against Liquid cooling.

If style is more important than actually riding I get that you might not like the way it looks.


..Tom
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