Fair point. Screen off with bare minimum running in background, never had the fans come on.. that said, never rode in +30 with it either.
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Motorcycles and Laptop carrying
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Fair point. Screen off with bare minimum running in background, never had the fans come on.. that said, never rode in +30 with it either.
TiburonJA
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Do ppl really have that much trouble or find backpacks to be that uncomfortable? I take my bike to school, to work and in my entire 5 years of riding I think I've only been on without a backpack maybe 15% of the time and that's mostly when I 2up. Laptop in backpack as well and never an issue, although have to admit having the laptop in my bag would suck if I were going anywhere other than school which is 30 min commute.
kiwi
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My comment about nth American look is about how sport bikes have a different image here than other places where even gixers are more of a workhorse bike...
Just about every sport bike with a top box pic online is from Europe or downunder
http://s71.photobucket.com/user/Funners/media/Givi Top Box/GiviTopbox006.jpg.html
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/...7YVH_zxCusM2PPDQJY8vZCW8RCzq7-DAu2zGPbsEb34DQ
PLau
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I guess I wouldn't fall into the "sport bike" image here because I don't have a "real bike" (SuperSport)....
I'll go with a different answer.
If you have a SSD, you have pretty much nothing to worry about. I'd use a sleeve with some padding to protect against physical damage, but that's it.
PLau
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How is your answer any different, minus how to carry the laptop itself?
Shutting it down makes zero difference, SSD drives have zero moving drives. The whole point of shutting down is so the hard drive doesn't crash with the plates spinning if it experiences shock. This is a non issue with a SSD. There are virtually zero moving parts in a modern laptop, outside of the dvd/cd player (and who uses that?).
PLau
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The problem with having it in a hibernated or sleep mode is that the shock of a bump, or the compression of the lid, can wake the laptop in an enclosed area causing it to overheat. (Assuming you have something wrapped around it padding it from thrashing around).
FWIW, I think different laptops have a different default setting of what is required to wake a computer from a hibernated mode needing to press the power button vs any key/click.
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I don't think I have ever, not once, considered my laptop could overheat. Regardless of the scenario.
Pretty sure most modern laptops and other high tech electronics will temporarily turn off if the operating temperature is outside of it's safe parameters.
PLau
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Some do, but most will only shut itself off when they've already exceeded safe operating temperatures that can damage other components.
Example, the heat from the processor gets so hot so fast, it requires a heat sink to distrubute the heat so that the moving air from the fan can cool it much faster. If that heat isn't going anywhere, it is distributing the heat to the confines of the laptop/enclosed area. Many components inside the laptop have much lower melting points such as the wires connecting your wireless network adaptor, fan, connectors to your keyboard, touchpad, and screen.
If you don't see an immediate effect, it doesn't mean damage isn't being done.
Ever see a laptop key melt from underneath the keyboard...?
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But you have to ask yourself, what does a laptop have to be doing to generate that level of heat? I can sit on the couch and read a document for near an hour without the fan coming on. I don't disagree that heat can be a concern, but not on the level of HDD failure... For my data logging purposes, I have ZERO concern with an SSD installed.
Your laptop is still passively dissipating heat when it's in your lap, fan on or not. Once you put it in a small confined space, that space becomes a low power oven. Also consider that some SSDs can still be drawing 1-3W of power at idle, not vastly more efficient than an HDD. It's still probably not an issue, just be aware that in some edge cases you may have trouble. I would be wary of trusting most cheaply built consumer laptops (HP, Compaq, Acer) in that situation
PLau
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The SSD/HDD likely wouldn't be the concern in regards to heat as they're (for the most part), in a separate compartment. Rather, the concern with the heat generated is more for the other components in the laptop.
Depending on how much you value the data on the HDD/SSD, damaging the smaller components can be more costly.
Fans generally turn on when they need to. When sitting with the laptop in an open area where there is airflow, and not using much processing power, it wouldn't neceasarily need itself to use the fan.
No airflow in a confined area would be the concern should the laptop wake itself up. Hence, why you should shut down in transport.
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It has to do with heat - most power that is consumed winds up as heat
BigEvilDoer
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Chrome Industries in Seattle has a really good messenger bag designed specifically for motorcyclists. Completely water proof etc etc.
http://www.chromeindustries.com/motor-citizen-messenger-bag
Friend of mine in Seattle has one, and swears by it. I will likely order one up for myself as a Christmas gift etc. My hard shell backpack is getting rather worn out.
http://www.chromeindustries.com/motor-citizen-messenger-bag
Friend of mine in Seattle has one, and swears by it. I will likely order one up for myself as a Christmas gift etc. My hard shell backpack is getting rather worn out.
Mango Rider
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Curious on how this would compare to the Mach 5 bag series, the price range is rather similar and I believe both to be rather "tough" and water resistant. During pouring rain, I'm sure they still get wet inside. Although that'd be nice if I was wrong.
PLau
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It'll be an interesting test.
Some things that would be good to note would be, make and model of device, how it is being transported (backpack or laptop bag/laptop case/top case surrounded with padding/top case no padding), and how long it is being transported in that condition.
Temps to note: Ambient temp, processor temp, hdd/ssd temp, and if possible, fan on/off/speed.
HDD/SSD (which I assume shouldn't be too much of a problem for you because you have an SSD), shouldn't be much higher than 50 degrees celsius to be considered "safe".
Processor under heavy load (under normal circumstances) shouldn't be much higher than 90 degrees celsius, but wouldn't really be considered damaging until you start hitting the 100s.
The ambient temperature shouldn't be much higher than 30 degrees celsius (which I assume would easily hit while in a case).
The laptop, while under relatively high temperatures will likely be running the fan constantly trying to cool it down.
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This is probably getting too technical, but whatever. The processor itself is unlikely to get damaged - pretty much all modern CPUs have robust thermal throttling to protect themselves. This does not hold true for pretty much everything else. It would have to get nice and hot, not merely warm, but damage could range from weakening adhesives (not a big deal as it's usually only to hold cables in place while the laptop is being assembled) to stuff warping (see multiple generations of Apple laptops) to pushing marginal solder connections past their failure point (bigger deal for laptops made roughly '05-'10). Also RAM in laptops seems to like any excuse to fail so I imagine heat will only make it worse. Still not something you want to push too much because consumer laptops do not have one iota more of cooling ability than they strictly need. Logging of temperature sensors will not tell you everything as you could be developing hotspots on components that do not have any kind of thermal monitoring.
I am merely trying to point out risk factors and am not saying that your laptop will definitely catch fire, burn your house down and cause your wife and kids to leave you (or if you don't got those, your dog)
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