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Cornering. What RPM and gear should you be in before entering on a 600ss

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Hi guys just want your input on your cornering techniques. What rpm and gear are you usually safe in when entering a corner? What rpm is good in order for you not to hit the power band mid corner and hen have the rear slide out and you ending up in a high/low side?
 
stickman88 said:
Hi guys just want your input on your cornering techniques. What rpm and gear are you usually safe in when entering a corner? What rpm is good in order for you not to hit the power band mid corner and hen have the rear slide out and you ending up in a high/low side?
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It depends - road speed, weather and road conditions all play a part in the decision.
My suggestion would be to take one of the track day schools (FAST, Pro6, Racer5), you'll learn more in one outing than you will in a season of street riding.
 
Also depends A LOT on the bike itself. There are a few offerings in that category and if you look at any reviews on youtube youll see that they are different beasts.

I personally know my bike enough to be aware of what is too aggressive for the bike and tires say at a 90 degrees right hand turn vs a left hand turn...
As tk4 said everything else comes in to play and changes for every corner. So it's not a one rule of thumb for all 600ss
 
There is no magic answer that covers everything and is safe. Know your bike, get lots of time in the saddle and you will not have to think about things like this. I would say most people who have been riding any reasonable amount of time do not even look at the bikes RPM. You can feel it. Take it slow, move within your comfort range and eventually it becomes second nature.
 
1. Always be smooth.
2. Start slow and you'll be fine.
3. Don't drag knees on the street, if you are over that far, you have used up all of your safety margin and won't be able to deal with the adverse conditions that occasionally present themselves on the road.

You need to figure it out for yourself. If you are jerky on the controls, any speed will be scary and can toss you off. If you come in slow, you can always add speed, if you come in too fast, it is much harder to save.

With the same bike and corner, changing the rider could easily double the answer to your question.
 
How long have you been riding?

This is a pointless question to ask.
Is it a 90 degree corner?
A long sweeping corner?
etc...
 
wonderings said:
There is no magic answer that covers everything and is safe. Know your bike, get lots of time in the saddle and you will not have to think about things like this. I would say most people who have been riding any reasonable amount of time do not even look at the bikes RPM. You can feel it. Take it slow, move within your comfort range and eventually it becomes second nature.
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First gear and 2,500 rpm should work in many cases.
 
dricked said:
6th at 12,000rpm

As said above, way too many variables.
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Well, he said he wanted to avoid a high side or low side. Your method is pretty safe from that perspective. He is just launching off the corner like a laser beam.

You also fixed his problem of hitting the power band. Your acceleration in 6th at 12000 rpm is 0.
 
-D- said:
If you are looking down at your rpm's then you going to have a problem
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Yeah... You're not going fast enough
 
Jeez, it's like asking what position is best to make love with your woman. It's better for you to watch how Marquez does it on the track :D
 
stickman88 said:
Hi guys just want your input on your cornering techniques. What rpm and gear are you usually safe in when entering a corner? What rpm is good in order for you not to hit the power band mid corner and hen have the rear slide out and you ending up in a high/low side?
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If you're worrying about high/lowsiding mid-corner, you should be worrying more about throttle control rather than what rpm you should be entering the turn at.

Edit: Just read GreyGhost's post... What he said.

GreyGhost said:
1. Always be smooth.
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GreyGhost said:
2. Start slow and you'll be fine.
3. Don't drag knees on the street, if you are over that far, you have used up all of your safety margin and won't be able to deal with the adverse conditions that occasionally present themselves on the road.

You need to figure it out for yourself. If you are jerky on the controls, any speed will be scary and can toss you off. If you come in slow, you can always add speed, if you come in too fast, it is much harder to save.

With the same bike and corner, changing the rider could easily double the answer to your question.
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Edit x2: Kind of odd how this post keeps adding extra quote tags in the middle of the quote even after editing/removing it, it comes back on preview/post.
 
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Making it around Rattlesnake Point is different from making a right-hand corner at an intersection is different from corner two at Mosport.

If your primary objective is to survive and not crash and not hit anything (street) it's different from your prime objective is to beat Jordan Szoke.

Like others already stated ... take an advanced riding school. Any of them.
 
As a VERY rough reference, they talked this in Twist of the Wrist. But not in terms of power range, but tire contact and suspension load point of view.
In his book, Twist of the Wrist II, world-renowned motorcycle coach, Keith Code explains, “To determine an ideal scene for traction, machine-wise, we start by simply measuring the contact patches (the actual footprint of the tire where it contacts the road surface) of the tires to discover what the basic distribution of loads should be while cornering. Roughly speaking, those measurements show that 40 percent of the total load should be up front, 60 percent at the rear. The rider’s task is to match the exact load specs of his machine with expert use of the throttle. How do you do that? Considering that most machines in a static or constant speed situation have a 50/50 weight distribution front-to-rear, we begin to calculate the guidelines of correct acceleration through a turn. By the numbers, we want to transfer 10-20 percent of the weight rearwards using the throttle. Technically, this is 0.1 to 0.2 G of acceleration. Simply put, it’s the force generated by a smooth fifth-gear roll-on in the 4000 to 6000 rpm range on pretty much anything over 600 cc’s. That’s not much acceleration, but it does the job.”
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On many many hwy ramps, start at 100km/h in 3rd gear and go WOT!!!!

On most of the 30/40km/h rated ramps, enter at 60km/h-80km/h, roll on until apex, WOT on exit and hope you don't merge into a car.

......but seriously, is there an actual answer to this?
 
I give the OP points for originality. This beats the "what kind of chain lube is the best" threads we usually see this time of year. Kudos
 
油井緋色;2412686 said:
On many many hwy ramps, start at 100km/h in 3rd gear and go WOT!!!!

On most of the 30/40km/h rated ramps, enter at 60km/h-80km/h, roll on until apex, WOT on exit and hope you don't merge into a car.

......but seriously, is there an actual answer to this?
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Yeah i guess its a matter of
entering the curve at the right speed. As speed good enough that when you're at the apex you can open the throttle hard enough that you get going but soft enough that you dont lose the rear end.
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