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Ontario tire recycling fees. WTF!

Skully

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wtf is going on in this province?? this is where the "fee" we pay on our bike/car tires goes, enforced by the liberals. very very wrong!

Ontario tire recycling fees fund boozy board dinners

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Steve Russell,Toronto Star file photo
A Toronto Star investigation has found that the private company contracted by the provincial government to oversee the recycling of used tires has spent thousands on lavish meals and luxury hotels.
Hamilton Spectator
By Moira Welsh

The private agency designated by the Liberal government to recycle Ontario's used tires has spent thousands of dollars on wine tastings, meals at fine restaurants, a boat cruise, luxury hotels — and donations to the Liberal Party of Ontario.

The Ontario Tire Stewardship is funded by car and truck drivers who collectively have paid millions of dollars in tire recycling fees since the program began in 2009. Each consumer pays roughly $5 as an "eco fee" when a tire is purchased. Proceeds of the recycling program fund the stewardship's operations.

Credit card statements obtained by the Toronto Star show stewardship executives and board members have enjoyed fine wines, gin martinis and steak dinners while discussing the agency's business.

At the Fairmont Château Laurier in Ottawa, $16,104 was spent for 13 board and staff members for a three-day stay for a board meeting of the Etobicoke-based agency in 2015. Another event, this one on Lake Rosseau in Muskoka last summer, included a sunset boat cruise.

At the Trius Winery in Niagara-on-the-Lake, 10 of the agency's directors and executives enjoyed a vineyard tour and a five-course tasting menu, with 10 bottles of wine, in the summer of 2014 ($2,023), plus accommodations at the Prince of Wales Hotel ($2,200).

At Via Allegro in Etobicoke, two people enjoyed a $288 dinner where elk tenderloin, wild boar chops, cabernet sauvignon and Italian lager were served. Names of those in attendance were not listed.

"I am not uncomfortable with the nature of the meetings, the nature of the meals, or the nature of the accommodations," said Glenn Maidment, chair of the tire stewardship. "All of those things, I think, were fair and reasonable."

The corporate credit card statements are under the name of tire stewardship executive director Andrew Horsman, but typically include the expenses of others who attended the events.

While many amounts charged were large — $600 in wine at a Collingwood dinner — Horsman's card shows occasional individual charges for a $7 Booster Juice drink.

The expense documents provide rare insight into the spending of the government-legislated agency that operates without public oversight, despite overseeing the collection of roughly $80 million a year in recycling fees.

In the past few years, consumers paid between $5.45 and $5.84 in recycling fees on each newly purchased passenger vehicle tire (truck tires have higher fees). Current passenger tire charges are $4.75 per tire.

Those fees fund the Etobicoke-based stewardship, which is tasked with recycling the 12 million tires disposed of in Ontario each year. The producers and retailers of tires initially pay these fees, but all costs are passed on to the consumer. A proposed provincial law, if passed, would eventually phase out the stewardship and others like it.

Documents, including partial credit card statements and restaurant receipts for 16 separate months dating back to 2011, offer a snapshot of how Horsman, Maidment and other board members spend some of the money paid by the public to recycle tires. Horsman said in an emailed statement that expenditures on board functions are just "0.1 per cent of our overall administration costs."

In some cases, the records show money was used for political donations, something industry sources told the Toronto Star is unusual in a government-created agency.

The stewardship spent $3,200 on a donation to the Liberal's 2015 Summer Golf Classic "with special guests Hon. Kathleen Wynne & Members of the Ontario Liberal Caucus." Maidment said the stewardship was "absolutely" justified in donating money to meet Wynne on the course and explain concerns about changes related to the program's $49.6-million surplus.

An additional $1,000 donation was made to the Liberal's May 2014 campaign fundraising event headlined by then Liberal environment minister Jim Bradley with "special guest" MPP Eric Hoskins. The event was hosted by Labatt Breweries at John Labatt Hall on Queens Quay shortly before the election.

Credit card payments show $500 given to the New Democratic Party in 2013, billed through a telephone donation service. It's unclear if any money was donated to the Ontario Progressive Conservatives.

"These are modest contributions as a way of supporting the democratic process," Maidment told the Star.

The Ontario Liberal Party defended the political contributions.

"Ontario Tire Stewardship (OTS) is not a government agency, nor is it funded by the government," said party spokesperson Patricia Favre.

"Fundraising happens across all parties and is just one of the ways people can be a part of the democratic process."

The Star approached Horsman and Maidment earlier this week with a list of questions about the expenses. Their emailed response did not answer the Star's specific questions.

The statement said the stewardship board is "comprised of highly skilled volunteers who receive no remuneration."

"We maintain the highest standards and practices and a strict focus on controlling costs to ensure we use funds provided by stewards responsibly," the statement read.

Though not in the documents, Maidment confirmed to the Star that each board member was given a new iPad as a Christmas present two years ago. Some board members said they'd return the iPads when their time on the board was done, he said.

"The iPad idea was a way of getting to do our little part in the whole green economy and get rid of paperwork. It has worked. Our meetings are essentially paperless as a result of the iPads," he said.

The Liberals proposed new waste legislation last fall, which, if passed, would eventually dissolve recycling stewardships and replace them with a more competitive system.

Sources in the recycling industry worry how the stewardship's $49.6-million surplus will be disbursed, if the organization is dismantled.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6225273-ontario-tire-recycling-fees-fund-boozy-board-dinners/
 
Pretty much the story of any time the government collects funds for non-specific purposes but doesn't go into the general budget
 
No surprise there. When politicians want to cut fundings to these fat cows they want to collectively put him on a stake
 
PFFFT

What for the next shoe to drop...the one about the missing funds.
 
By now I made it known that Ontario Automobile Insurance is my windmill.

If you think this is bad, how can anyone swallow our ripoff insurance?

I replaced many tires in my lifetime (so far) and all those fees don't add up to one month's worth of insurance.... Also enforced by government, also spent in dubious ways, but to much larger figures. I'm not saying it's right, but it's small potatoes in comparison to insurance scheme.
 
All of governent agencies and agencies hired by the government have steak dinners and cruises.

The big scams are things like 407, E-health, gas power plant, HST, tax on tax in gas, tax on used vehicles. etc.

I honestly don't care if 10 guys on some board will have a $2,000 dinner because that's pennies compared to the above mentioned things. They are just easier to target because it's a private company. Yeah, if I was in charge, I'd fire them but maybe Star should investigate something a bit larger than this.

At least Tire Levies have steadily gone down - to $4.25 per tire at this moment.
 
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"The Ontario Liberal Party defended the political contributions.

"Ontario Tire Stewardship (OTS) is not a government agency, nor is it funded by the government," said party spokesperson Patricia Favre.
"

No, but its income is sourced though a government-mandated fee so it is indirectly funded by the government.
 
"The Ontario Liberal Party defended the political contributions.

"Ontario Tire Stewardship (OTS) is not a government agency, nor is it funded by the government," said party spokesperson Patricia Favre.
"

No, but its income is sourced though a government-mandated fee so it is indirectly funded by the government.

All ON government ministries and agencies have to follow the "perquisites" guidelines re meal expensive limits, non purchase of any alcohol on government expense accounts and staying only in "approved" hotels (not spas). You can rest assured that behind the scenes these clowns are going to be read the riot act. $$ are small, but optics are terrible.
 
What the hell is there to manage about tire waste? Once it's figured out, it's self-sustaining for the duration of the disposal contract. It should take like 1 part-time employee to run OTS!
 
This program began under the Peterson Liberals.
We were told the money would be used to build a rubber re-cycling plant in (I believe) St. Thomas.
Normally such a plan would call for the tax to be placed into a special fund which would then be used to build the plant.
The tax went to general revenues and was spent on other things.
If it was anyone other than a government did this, they would call it fraud.
 
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Do what I do, buy good used tires. 80% tread, half the cost of new, no HST, no environment fee.

Where do you buy?

Kijiji, lot's of good take off tires from drivers who upgrade. My current Dunlops were off a Lexus, got them for $200.

I have bought several used sets. Lots of savings to be had.

Got a set of Dunlop winter tires for my Edge. Paid $350 for the set and got 3 winters out of em.
 
It's a gamble though. If you get tricked you're at a loss. Know what you need well
 
It's a gamble though. If you get tricked you're at a loss. Know what you need well

This is true.

Make sure you inspect the tires carefully. There are some shops that sell used tires, you can have a bit more confidence in buying from them.
 
Yes, buyer beware. Check thoroughly for cuts, plugs, patches, pliability, bead damage and obviously wear. See date code for age and stick to major brands.
 
Main issue is a tire having a bulge on the sidewall which will be not visible until inflated. Also pinhole puncture sometimes difficult to spot.
A circular groove on the sidewall or powder inside the tire indicates driven on flat. A tire is a write off at that point.

Common problem is people advertising a tread depth that's nowhere near actual.
 
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