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Const. James Forcillo shot Sammy Yatim - the trial
- Thread starter MarcosSantiago
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what makes a semi auto .223 an assault rifle or not an assault rifle?
Select fire so if it can switch between Semi-auto and Automatic fire settings these can only shoot semi-auto.
MarcosSantiago
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Because money is limited... and in the context of Toronto (I cannot emphasize it enough, TORONTO, THE CITY OF TORONTO, an urban centre), would't make more sense to buy tasers for all officers first? And when that phase is completed, then move on to the assault rifles at a later time?
Not only would it be more effective it would probably lead to the police killing less people thats a good thing. Only issue i have is when you start handing tasers out police forces have generally had trouble keeping their officers from using them as punishment tools rather than tools to end threats.
you sure? according to anti gunners and the media any black semi auto is an assault rifle!
They think any semi-automatic is an assault rifle. SKS got called one in some article I was reading. But going off pure technical definitions its not an assault rifle.
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nah
Ment to say "They"
ah, yeah.
.22 will go through a car door if it does not hit the reinforcement bars. .223 is defiantly a decent round for the police to use it has less chance at over penetration than a pistol round.
RC-31
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More triggers, different triggers, more or less powerful triggers.
More devices with triggers doesn't fit into my idea of de-escaltation.
Trigger culture: When the only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. What about when the only tools have triggers and cross-hairs?
I am more scared of police than anything else.
More devices with triggers doesn't fit into my idea of de-escaltation.
Trigger culture: When the only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. What about when the only tools have triggers and cross-hairs?
I am more scared of police than anything else.
Hard to disagree the rifle is defiantly a required tool for the police to have but hardly a tool of de-escalation.
Hawk
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Watched this show last night. Interesting how the police in England hand things differently. http://www.cbc.ca/firsthand/episodes/hold-your-fire
LoneRonin
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lol, this was the first thing that came to mind...
JohnnyP- "I know what you're thinking, did he fire 30 shots or only 29?? In all this excitement I lost track myself..."
[video=youtube;I530sPVQSc8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I530sPVQSc8[/video]
Maybe because tasers don't work well against increasing use of firearms by gang-bangers in Toronto and increasing numbers of shooting victims?
Would you bring a taser to a gunfight?
http://www.newstalk1010.com/videos/...near-victoria-park-and-finch-caught-on-camera
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/statistics/ytd_stats.php
| Year End Shootings | Last Year to Previous | |||||||
| Updated:� 2016.01.19 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | Percent Change | Absolute Change | ||
| Occurrences | 219 | 205 | 178 | 255 | 43.3% | 77 | ||
| Victims | 312 | 281 | 243 | 395 | 62.6% | 152 | ||
| Shooting Injury Level | ||||||||
| Death | 34 | 22 | 27 | 26 | -3.7% | -1 | ||
| Injuries | 114 | 123 | 76 | 133 | 75.0% | 57 | ||
| No injuries | 98 | 81 | 52 | 164 | 215.4% | 112 | ||
| Unknown | 66 | 55 | 88 | 72 | -18.2% | -16 | ||
| Grand Total | 312 | 281 | 243 | 395 | 63% | 152 | ||
| Year End Homicides ** | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | Percent Change | Absolute Change | ||
| Stabbing | 7 | 14 | 15 | 18 | 20.0% | 3 | ||
| Shooting | 34 | 22 | 27 | 26 | -3.7% | -1 | ||
| Other | 15 | 21 | 15 | 12 | -20.0% | -3 | ||
| Grand Total | 56 | 57 | 57 | 56 | -2% | -1 | ||
| **Source:� DOC, VDX, Homicide Case List | ||||||||
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any stats on how many cops were shot in Toronto last year?Maybe because tasers don't work well against increasing use of firearms by gang-bangers in Toronto and increasing numbers of shooting victims?
Would you bring a taser to a gunfight?
http://www.newstalk1010.com/videos/...near-victoria-park-and-finch-caught-on-camera
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/statistics/ytd_stats.php
Year to Date Shootings Last Year to Previous Updated:� 2016.01.19� 2013 2014 2015 2016 Percent Change Absolute Change Occurrences 8 8 12 19 58.3% 7 Victims 12 10 21 25 19.0% 4 Year to Date Shootings Involving Injury or Death Death 0 0 0 1 N/C 1 Injuries 6 7 6 10 66.7% 4 Death/Injury Total 6 7 6 11 83.3% 5 Year to Date Shootings Without Injury No Injuries 4 0 14 5 -64.3% -9 Unknown 2 3 1 9 800.0% 8 No Injury Total 6 2 4 3 -25.0% -1 Year to Date Homicides ** 2013 2014 2015 2016 Percent Change Absolute Change Stabbing 1 0 2 0 -100.0% -2 Shooting 0 0 0 1 N/C 1 Other 0 2 0 1 N/C 1 Grand Total 1 2 2 2 0.0% 0 *Due to changes in the Service�s RMS, data entry issues exist where victim and injury level information is unknown or undetermined.� N/C = Not Calculable�� **Source:� DOC, VDX, Homicide Case List
Year End Shootings Last Year to Previous Updated:� 2016.01.19 2012 2013 2014 2015 Percent Change Absolute Change Occurrences 219 205 178 255 43.3% 77 Victims 312 281 243 395 62.6% 152 Shooting Injury Level Death 34 22 27 26 -3.7% -1 Injuries 114 123 76 133 75.0% 57 No injuries 98 81 52 164 215.4% 112 Unknown 66 55 88 72 -18.2% -16 Grand Total 312 281 243 395 63% 152 Year End Homicides ** 2012 2013 2014 2015 Percent Change Absolute Change Stabbing 7 14 15 18 20.0% 3 Shooting 34 22 27 26 -3.7% -1 Other 15 21 15 12 -20.0% -3 Grand Total 56 57 57 56 -2% -1 **Source:� DOC, VDX, Homicide Case List
I think the better question is how many times did cops use to stop these shootings. Most of these probably happen very quickly without any requirement for police to use an lethal force during the responce.
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