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I'm not sure anymore. If I could not have to work and still have all my needs met I think that would be easier no? I certainly wouldn't want to be in a position where I'm forced to reduce my standard of living just to make things fair.

What if you lived in a place where work was encouraged? What if you lived in a place where being a social mooch was embarrassing? What if you lived in a place where welfare programs were meant to help you get back to work and not act as a crutch you rely on permanently?

But I suppose that's based on the attitude of the people, not the govt.


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Best country I ever lived in was a socialist country (at the time). I know a family here that works really hard, they have a disabled daughter and the father has cancer, they just had a massive bill from the city for work on their sewer system that they didn't really want/need....the socialist system would make sure that they have a decent standard of living...the capitalist (or capitalist lite Canadian system that some of you seem to worship) would just say "tough ****....find a charity". That attitude is totally embarrassing.

The Scandinavian countries look amazing and always rank in the most attractive to live in lists. Yes they have high taxes (that pay for their excellent infrastructure and social amenities), but they also reinvest for the future of their citizenry rather than to enrich a tiny minority. Their education system runs really well, they have high tec in areas not related to mining or resource exploitation too. Plus the Norwegians I've met have been a really friendly bunch usually wearing soccer shirts and having beer for breakfast. Canada could learn a massive amount from those countries rather than trying to play catch up with the US.
 
So much TLDR in this thread. Harper paid me $1000 to vote for him and by golly, he's gonna get it.
 
Socialism works great until you run out of someone else's money.

It will never work in Canada. People are far too greedy and our govt puts its own needs above ours.

Like I said....

Here: I work hard, **** everyone else.


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the stupid, repeat and endless tory attack ads preoccupied with demeaning trudeau make me puke,

unbelievable and sez all i need to know about them, that anyone could be idiotic or deluded enuff to believe the ads do anything other than make them look like the morons they are, at best

talk about a blatant example of how to waste big time dough endlessly, and cut your own throat at the same time ..duhhh
 
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Socialism works great until you run out of someone else's money.

Good tag line....but not really. Capitalism works great....for a very few people at the top and hardly any at the bottom, a socialist leaning society works best for the majority. Like I say, the best countries in the world (according to most rankings)have socialist leaning policies. Trickle down economics works like this: some very wealthy person tells people that it works and that you too can be like him with just some hard work.....very poor people believe him but miraculously mostly stay poor despite the hard work provided at minimum wage (set mostly by more very wealthy people)....very wealthy person gets more wealthy...ad infinitum.

Do you get slackers that abuse social welfare systems? Yes. Do you think they cost you more than the uber wealthy and uber rich corporations exploiting tax loopholes and shuffling cash to offshore accounts. Think again.

We are not talking Marxist communist structures here by the way, just a more socialist leaning tendency. The more rabid crowd think that socialist tendencies = Che Guevara prancing down the street with Chairman Mao behind him confiscating property. That's also what the uber rich would like you to think a socialist leaning state would look like.

Before you go all bonkers too...most of you aren't even in this category, you're not the super wealthy this really should apply to and you probably will never be, despite how hard you work.
 
Calling out the straw man argument first. What you described as capitalism is not actually capitalism. It's corporate fascism and it's much more like socialism than capitalism is.
Also, what countries that are not culturally homogeneous have successfully implemented socialism? And I won't count Argentina as a success.

Anyway, back on topic: I'M VOTING NONE OF THE ABOVE!
OR (you can buy my vote by promising to have none of the above on the ballot next election).

Good tag line....but not really. Capitalism works great....for a very few people at the top and hardly any at the bottom, a socialist leaning society works best for the majority. Like I say, the best countries in the world (according to most rankings)have socialist leaning policies. Trickle down economics works like this: some very wealthy person tells people that it works and that you too can be like him with just some hard work.....very poor people believe him but miraculously mostly stay poor despite the hard work provided at minimum wage (set mostly by more very wealthy people)....very wealthy person gets more wealthy...ad infinitum.

Do you get slackers that abuse social welfare systems? Yes. Do you think they cost you more than the uber wealthy and uber rich corporations exploiting tax loopholes and shuffling cash to offshore accounts. Think again.

We are not talking Marxist communist structures here by the way, just a more socialist leaning tendency. The more rabid crowd think that socialist tendencies = Che Guevara prancing down the street with Chairman Mao behind him confiscating property. That's also what the uber rich would like you to think a socialist leaning state would look like.

Before you go all bonkers too...most of you aren't even in this category, you're not the super wealthy this really should apply to and you probably will never be, despite how hard you work.
 
Calling out the straw man argument first. What you described as capitalism is not actually capitalism. It's corporate fascism and it's much more like socialism than capitalism is.
Also, what countries that are not culturally homogeneous have successfully implemented socialism? And I won't count Argentina as a success.

Anyway, back on topic: I'M VOTING NONE OF THE ABOVE!
OR (you can buy my vote by promising to have none of the above on the ballot next election).

I did say socialist tendencies....Scandinavian countries come to mind, France (a little more conservative these days but still socialist leaning at heart), Germany too. Everyone is selfish to a degree and there's nothing wrong with looking out for #1...there's also nothing wrong with forgoing a few things to help out the less fortunate among us too to give them a leg up and a chance to reach the heights of everyone else. Unless that is you just want to ignore the sick and needy, old and infirm and the plain unlucky and say "**** 'em, I'm alright Jack".
 
... corporate fascism and it's much more like socialism than capitalism is...

Perhaps in your definition/understanding of socialism, but it's most certainly not in the generally accepted/textbook descriptions.

the Scandinavian countries that have socialist leaning governments have nothing like corporate fascism, just the opposit: instead of private corporate ownership, important industry and service sectors are publically owned through the democratically elected governments.
 
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Name your price. At some level I'm going to say it's too high. Then what? Can I leave or will you just kill me and take it? I'm not "rich" now but I sure take it up the *** at tax time and still get threats from people like you guys.

I did say socialist tendencies....Scandinavian countries come to mind, France (a little more conservative these days but still socialist leaning at heart), Germany too. Everyone is selfish to a degree and there's nothing wrong with looking out for #1...there's also nothing wrong with forgoing a few things to help out the less fortunate among us too to give them a leg up and a chance to reach the heights of everyone else. Unless that is you just want to ignore the sick and needy, old and infirm and the plain unlucky and say "**** 'em, I'm alright Jack".

Nice false dichotomy. I don't ignore the sick. You do. You're trying to grab my wallet while I'm trying to keep my family healthy. Really. If someone else is such a ****** person that they're family won't even take responsibility for them, no amount of money will solve your problem. We've been trying for all my life and well back several generations. So yes, **** em. The grievance hustlers have been raising taxes for decades with this silly argument with no results.

Perhaps in your definition/understanding of socialism, but it's most certainly not in the generally accepted/textbook descriptions.

the Scandinavian countries that have socialist leaning governments have nothing like corporate fascism, just the opposit: instead of private corporate ownership, important industry and service sectors are publically owned through the democratically elected governments.

Non homogeneous examples please.

Most people think socialism is communism.


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It turns pretty quick when there's resistance. History proves that. Cambodia got to the point they were killing "smart" people. WIN. It's all about other peoples money, when it runs out, blood flows.
 
Most people think socialism is communism.


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Yes and it's assumed you can only have Communism or capitalism and only the worst of either will prevail.


Being a conservative thinker, I must be anti abortion and hate any social support by the government to the less fortunate. Leave charity to those with money to donate it where I please and not where the government decides.

In reality, I just want the government to govern according to the voters wants, not the party.

Governments are not very efficient so, I think they should leave business to business people and regulate how the people want business to be run. Easier said than done.

The federal government may have done a good job through the financial crisis but, after that, I'm not so sure?
 

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