Speed Limits Across Canada

griff2 said:

Really? Motorcycles make up 3% of the US road vehicle fleet compared to 2.9% of Canada's road vehicle fleet. Motorcycles despite having a higher fatality rate are still an insignificant source of fatalities as far as the bigger picture goes on either side of the border.

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You were talking about Ontario, so don't use Canadian two-wheeled vehicle statistics.

Two-wheelers make up 2.5% of total registered vehicle in Ontario while making up 7.6% of deaths, which is a factor of 3.11. Remember, we don't ride 12 months of the year; jurisdictions where people have longer riding seasons have greater total number of mortality not typically greater ratio. 7.6% of total deaths is not an insignificant number.

trebororr said:

You were talking about Ontario, so don't use Canadian two-wheeled vehicle statistics.

Two-wheelers make up 2.5% of total registered vehicle in Ontario while making up 7.6% of deaths, which is a factor of 3.11. Remember, we don't ride 12 months of the year; jurisdictions where people have longer riding seasons have greater total number of mortality not typically greater ratio. 7.6% of total deaths is not an insignificant number.

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It still doesn't add up. Ontario's 2013 fatality rate was 3.7 deaths per billion km driven and that is with a motorcycle/moped fleet comprising 2.6% of the overall motor vehicle fleet. That compares with a Canada-wide average of 5.6 deaths per billion km driven.

Numbers for Manitoba with a shorter riding season is 6.4 deaths per billion km and a 2.11% fleet. Sask with 10.6 deaths and a 1.32% fleet. BC with a longer riding season and 7.5 deaths with a fleet size at only 2.1%.

By your rationale these provinces should have had lower fatality per billion km driven rates because their motorcycle fleet sizes are comparatively smaller with respect to other vehicles than is the case with Ontario.

The US average elevates things to a new level at 1.11 deaths per 100 million miles driven, which corresponds to a rate of 6.9 per billion km driven which is almost double Ontario's rate and 25% higher than the Canada-wide average rate despite have a similar percentage of motorcycles on the road and with only a few states where climate would support year-round riding.

We could go state by state if you would like.

Want to try again?

Oh yeah, sources:
https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/roadsafety/cmvtcs2013_eng.pdf
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/trade14a-eng.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

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i like how they mention Canada as one of the safest road ways yet our insurance rates on bikes are 4x that of the USA.

PhinX404 said:

i like how they mention Canada as one of the safest road ways yet our insurance rates on bikes are 4x that of the USA.

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Good point.

Blackfin said:

Good point.

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Have you seen the minimum coverages required in many US states compared to what is required here? There is a reason for those rate differences.

See http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story...ct=ins_req&story=state-insurance-requirements . If you crash your bike in the US and someone else is hurt or killed, you had better have lots of insurance, lots of your own money to pay the inevitable law suit, or hope you die.

griff2 said:

The US average elevates things to a new level at 1.11 deaths per 100 million miles driven, which corresponds to a rate of 6.9 per billion km driven which is almost double Ontario's rate and 25% higher than the Canada-wide average rate despite have a similar percentage of motorcycles on the road and with only a few states where climate would support year-round riding.

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But many states don't require helmets, and even those that do, a significant number of riders wear those novelty helmets.
It's insane down there, a few months ago in Pittsburgh heavy traffic, I noted about 1/5 cars were watching Youtube or Netflix while driving.
Few states have distracted driving laws. Few states enforce DUI with roadside checks, because freedom.

CafeRay said:

But many states don't require helmets, and even those that do, a significant number of riders wear those novelty helmets.
It's insane down there, a few months ago in Pittsburgh heavy traffic, I noted about 1/5 cars were watching Youtube or Netflix while driving.
Few states have distracted driving laws. Few states enforce DUI with roadside checks, because freedom.

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Plenty of regulatory differences in what is permitted and not between there and here, and that at least in part explains the difference between average Canadian fatality rates vs the US, and Ontario rates vs the rest of Canada and the US. Yet when we pass laws up here to prohibit such stupidities, there is an inevitable chorus of "nanny state, nanny state"!

For all the wailing, I would rather drive in Ontario current speed limits and all than drive in BC and have twice the fatality rate.