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Tesla's Powerwall

Sorry dude, i dont see the big deal. Its just a battery bank. Those have been on the market in one form or another for a long time.

In fact in the new house i'm planning on having a battery bank fed by solar panels that will feed inverters. Automated switching station will use the battery bank during the day and top it off at night if the solar panels were not adequate enough. I'm not doing it to reduce my electric bill or try to save earth as much as have electricity if the grid goes down.

I love the nasty pictures at the beginning of the presentation. Showing big stacks with billowing smoke and fear mongering words....Cept that is steam, harmless. Most power plants use fossil fuels to generate steam which in turn spins turbines. Guess we're gonna see pictures of smoke stacks billowing smoke coming from Nuclear plants as well? If Tesla wanted to save earth they would have built a cost effective, cheap "peoples car", not cars that only the rich can afford.
 
I think Tesla is doing great things for electric vehicle technology and with this new announcement is on the right track.

However I think they're more interested in the value for shareholders than they are about saving the earth. As Red Liner said if earth was their main concern, the cars they build would be more accessible to the general population.
 
It's not going to move beyond the innovative stage until people think it will save them money having one.
Average people have a tough time paying their bills as it is, they're not going to extra to have a cool device that's marketed to save the earth.
Early adopters will buy, I'll admit I'm tempted but then I slap myself and think I just spend 16 grand on a super high efficiency HVAC system and tankless water heater and there are other things I need to do with the money.
Until the price and simplicity gets to the point that they can say "hey, buy one of these and you'll save 20 or 30 or 50% off your utility bills forever" it's not going to get major traction.
 
Um, lots of manufacturers are making 'cheaper' electrical cars. Nobody's buying them.

Tesla is selling every high dollar car they make and sales are doing well.

I think they are on the right track....

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Red_Liner740 said:
Guess we're gonna see pictures of smoke stacks billowing smoke coming from Nuclear plants as well? If Tesla wanted to save earth they would have built a cost effective, cheap "peoples car", not cars that only the rich can afford.
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Simply put they don't have the resources to do that Thats why they made their patents public so that those with the resources to can make better EV's
 
Lead acid batteries are heavy and larger. This matters in a car, not so much in a house... Space maybe a little but not enough to put this in my house.
 
Because its a passing fad. Just like all the celebs were driving the Prius a few years ago, so too will the Tesla trend pass. Back then you couldnt get your hand on Prius either.
Whats worse is that the latte sipping lemings dont see the hypocrisy of driving the Tesla while living in 5000 square foot mcmansions, air conditioned to the wazoo, lit up like a casino at night.

When people stop buying f150s and other pick ups simply cuz they want one. When families realize that you dont need an excursion or an escalade just because you popped out a kid or two, nor you need the latest iphone/gadget/tv shipped from China, will we see an improvement.

You can reduce your personnal vehicle co2 emissions to zero but if all your goods are manufactured overseas, trucked in by semis, you are polluting the earth. Just sit on the 401 for 10 min and You'll loose count of trucks passing you. Each burning enough diesel in one Toronto to Montreal trip as your average car will in two weeks.


SunnY S said:
Um, lots of manufacturers are making 'cheaper' electrical cars. Nobody's buying them.

Tesla is selling every high dollar car they make and sales are doing well.

I think they are on the right track....

Sent from my Passport
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Red_Liner740 said:
Because its a passing fad. Just like all the celebs were driving the Prius a few years ago, so too will the Tesla trend pass. Back then you couldnt get your hand on Prius either.
Whats worse is that the latte sipping lemings dont see the hypocrisy of driving the Tesla while living in 5000 square foot mcmansions, air conditioned to the wazoo, lit up like a casino at night.

When people stop buying f150s and other pick ups simply cuz they want one. When families realize that you dont need an excursion or an escalade just because you popped out a kid or two, nor you need the latest iphone/gadget/tv shipped from China, will we see an improvement.

You can reduce your personnal vehicle co2 emissions to zero but if all your goods are manufactured overseas, trucked in by semis, you are polluting the earth. Just sit on the 401 for 10 min and You'll loose count of trucks passing you. Each burning enough diesel in one Toronto to Montreal trip as your average car will in two weeks.
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A fad wouldnt get other car manufacturers consider the EV segments as seriously as they have.

Musk's got a plan and it's big. We're talking about the co-founder of paypal here, he's got vision, not just a short term plan that's gambling on trends. The only true trend is that fossil gas is running out, CO2 levels are increasing. Of course as an individual, tons of things can be done to lower our emissions. Buying that EV for that matter is a stretch but its better than say...buying a hummer h2 instead.

He started with a small platform based off another car(the roadster) to then go with a small niche market (model S) to now look into a bigger market and hopefully bigger volum (model X) and then the model III will be the "more affordable one" for the populace.
What that lets him do is tweak and learn from a smaller sample since..well... he's still a new player in the game, he's got some learning to do. So the errors he makes on the Model S will have a smaller impact than say the model III that will be targeted most likely to the upper-middle income class. Making a cheap people's car from the get go would open up a pandora's box of possible issues and widespread defects affecting more people whereas this is more of a staggered release.
 
If enough people get involved technologies tend to settle into the fad or function categories.

I had one of the early battery powered drills decades ago and it was dead after drilling a few holes in wood. My present one will run all day and sprain your wrist doing it.

The first flat TV was $13,000.00. A comparable one today is under $500.00 but that is a somewhat distorted number in that the $13K TV had development costs built into it.

What would the actual manufactured cost be for a E vehicle battery not including start-up and development costs?

The ideal battery would be light. That makes it more vehicle efficient and it uses less raw materials.

The raw materials would have to be inexpensive and readily available. Depending on rare third world sources has political problems. The USA would have to find an excuse to invade.

The home battery wall concept has some hidden costs being experienced in Hawaii. Since electrical costs are three times higher on the islands there is more incentive for people to either go off the grid or even sell back power. This results in higher power costs for those on the grid because someone has to pay for the grid upkeep.

As the rates go up more people go off the grid and the costs go up again, kicking the process up again. Eliminating the grid just isn't feasible in the foreseeable future.
 
What about community owned power stations? Devote the size of one single car garage to house natural gas generator. Feed a dozen or two homes who sign on. Just thinking out loud here.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Sorry dude, i dont see the big deal. Its just a battery bank. Those have been on the market in one form or another for a long time.

In fact in the new house i'm planning on having a battery bank fed by solar panels that will feed inverters. Automated switching station will use the battery bank during the day and top it off at night if the solar panels were not adequate enough. I'm not doing it to reduce my electric bill or try to save earth as much as have electricity if the grid goes down.
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You are obviously right. Not a shock that you know what we all do. But he is offering a simple packaged version. Old(ish) product, new packaging. Nothing new for sales industry. Did you happen to price out the install for your new house?
He mentioned that he was hoping that other companies do this exact thing he is doing to help drive the model forward, and since you are executing this idea on your own house, seems that you do like this idea. More so than anyone just stating they "want it". I guess its not a "big deal", but its a product that makes it easy to be off grid. Scalable for size. By a brand that is known for advancing battery technology.

Red_Liner740 said:
Because its a passing fad. Just like all the celebs were driving the Prius a few years ago, so too will the Tesla trend pass. Back then you couldnt get your hand on Prius either.
Whats worse is that the latte sipping lemings dont see the hypocrisy of driving the Tesla while living in 5000 square foot mcmansions, air conditioned to the wazoo, lit up like a casino at night.

When people stop buying f150s and other pick ups simply cuz they want one. When families realize that you dont need an excursion or an escalade just because you popped out a kid or two, nor you need the latest iphone/gadget/tv shipped from China, will we see an improvement.

You can reduce your personnal vehicle co2 emissions to zero but if all your goods are manufactured overseas, trucked in by semis, you are polluting the earth. Just sit on the 401 for 10 min and You'll loose count of trucks passing you. Each burning enough diesel in one Toronto to Montreal trip as your average car will in two weeks.
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LOL@mcmansion.. its true that habits and patterns must change but it has to start somewhere, and I don't see Duracell offering this type of system for homes. If these systems already exist, they are by small companies, and they systems are nowhere as refined. Arguing about how shipping and manufacturing globally causes more harm does not detract from this technology AT ALL.

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I don't understand how you of all people could call this a passing fad when you are planning on doing a variation of this on your own home. I can't see how removing yourself from the energy grid (effectively) could be seen as negative in any way. Now the question is how much does your system cost in comparison and effectiveness to this system.

I suppose to a point if this tech becomes more prolific there will be other brands to choose from giving people choice, and certainly price variances.

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I'm not sure this is groundbreaking more than image management. We have a Tesla charging station here in Kingston at a shopping mall. Never seen a single car at it, ever. Not sure we will ever see it being used on a daily basis, maybe I'll be proved wrong. If teslas start being bought by the masses then all that will happen is the majors will quickly introduce their own badly built but cheaper versions and that will be the end of it. Elon Musk just seems to be the newest incarnation of Steve Jobs, taking what already existed and putting it in a better designed package and then selling it for 4-5 times more.
 
Based on the specs above... using lead acid batteries, for 3K retail I can get more than four times the capacity. It will weigh around 900 lbs (4x weight) ad it will be roughly twice as large. Space and weight are important in a car, I would rather have four times the capacity in my home.

My price is based on me heading out to the store and buying OTS batteries at retail. Someone could do it a lot cheaper in volume.
 
It's not a fad, that just plain ridiculous talk.

Tesla will be instrumental in making this stuff mainstream.....
 
I guess you folks still believe global warming is big bunch of horse **** and the polar bears up north are drinking from coke bottles instead of running out of land mass
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Sorry dude, i dont see the big deal. Its just a battery bank. Those have been on the market in one form or another for a long time.

In fact in the new house i'm planning on having a battery bank fed by solar panels that will feed inverters. Automated switching station will use the battery bank during the day and top it off at night if the solar panels were not adequate enough. I'm not doing it to reduce my electric bill or try to save earth as much as have electricity if the grid goes down.

I love the nasty pictures at the beginning of the presentation. Showing big stacks with billowing smoke and fear mongering words....Cept that is steam, harmless. Most power plants use fossil fuels to generate steam which in turn spins turbines. Guess we're gonna see pictures of smoke stacks billowing smoke coming from Nuclear plants as well? If Tesla wanted to save earth they would have built a cost effective, cheap "peoples car", not cars that only the rich can afford.
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The iPhone was just a phone too back in '07.

Although Tesla might not have come up with the concept, I think Musk is will be able to deliver the idea to the masses, which is the critical portion if this idea is going to stick around.
 
Buying Electric vehicles is not the answer because somewhere fossil fuels still have to produce the electricity to charge the batteries. But as Musk said the true and only future is to go this route, eliminate fossil fuel generation of electricity and move to solar.

I applaud his efforts and vision!
 
LiNK666 said:
I guess you folks still believe global warming is big bunch of horse **** and the polar bears up north are drinking from coke bottles instead of running out of land mass
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I think they're running out of ice mass.
 
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