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Seller is not on UVIP. red flag?

Bike seller refused to give VIN# over the phone.
Sounds very fishy. The UVIP is required by law but you come across people all the time who don't have it. If you are still going to see (I wouldn't based on responses) be sure to really check out the bike. Chances are maintenance hasn't been done as it should have been. Of course as mentioned do get a UVIP done to cover yourself before handing over money.
 
Clear as crystal, no new UVIP, no sale. Why bother doing any research about it?
 
If it take MTO months to update their records, what if someone just takes a loan, put it on a bike and then sells the bike??? It won't show up on UVIP for months! So, my verdict is that Lien info on UVIP is useless.

Banks are fast to notify MTO when they put a lien on a vehicle, not so fast to notify MTO when a lien is taken off.
 
Banks are fast to notify MTO when they put a lien on a vehicle, not so fast to notify MTO when a lien is taken off.

+1 on this. Also if you have a UVIP that declares your bike lien free, you purchase and transfer it.

Legally speaking if you have a UVIP that indicates no lien, and you purchase & transfer it... It's very easy to remove a lien that "mysteriously" shows up later.

I had this happen with a car. I bought a vehicle lien free from a crappy dealership. Dealership went out of business several months later, and a lien showed up on my vehicle. The dealerships credit union was chasing after my vehicle for money the dealership owed. I faxed the UVIP @ Bill of Sale to MTO... Lien disappeared and gave the credit union the middle finger. (They put the lien on my vehicle after the dealership already sold it)
 
No. How can he sell something he doesn't legally own?

That statement does not make sense really! I was a car salesman and technically dealers do not own the vehicle they sell you. It belongs to the manufacturer. ie Mazda, Ford, etc.

What I would do is ask for the VIN and get it before I go see the bike. Yes the seller is to get it but alot of them don't. You buy it see there is no lien then get them to sign the UVIP cause is a receipt.

Don't be alarmed if seller doesn't have it.
 
After getting frustrated with private sellers refusing to get the UVIP, I phoned the MTO to ask what the fine was for someone caught breaking the HTA law stating it must be provided by the seller. They tried their best but couldn't answer my question. The MTO wasn't even sure if anybody had been charged for that before. I think they should atleast make it known that it is mandatory to sellers and enforce it, if they are so keen on collecting the $20 buyers who were not given it. Better yet just make it available online, and for free.
 
I've sold a few bikes and cars that were not registered to me. I typically don't register things that I use offroad only and then sell them without ever registering them to my name. I always have the ownership signed by the previous owner and transfer straight to the new buyers name. Never had an issue yet...

I sell everything as 'for parts'.. only got called twice.. once for a 1 year old EVO with a receipt for $1500 and second for an almost new CBR with 600 kms with a receipt for $500.
 
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That statement does not make sense really! I was a car salesman and technically dealers do not own the vehicle they sell you. It belongs to the manufacturer. ie Mazda, Ford, etc.

What I would do is ask for the VIN and get it before I go see the bike. Yes the seller is to get it but alot of them don't. You buy it see there is no lien then get them to sign the UVIP cause is a receipt.

Don't be alarmed if seller doesn't have it.

Huh....? Actually the dealers DO own the vehicles they sell you... That's why they finance them. I'm guessing you didn't see any numbers on the backend. Being a salesperson you are an authorized representative of the dealership selling the vehicle, hence having the capability to sell their vehicles. Saying you were a car salesman indicates you should have MORE knowledge of the entire process.

* Once the vehicle leaves the factory they belong to the dealer/franchise. Dealerships receive units based upon pre-allocation - supply/demand/request
* Dealerships have group financing plans for their vehicles with certain NET terms (IIRC rates change based upon how long the vehicle sits on the lot.. Based upon financer)

IIRC it's called Floor Plan Financing.

When the dealership sells the vehicle they use that money to pay off the loan.


So ya.. you can only sell something you actually own, or represent the party that wishes to sell said product.
 
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jeprox13: you seem really keen on buying this particular bike despite all these red flags and just a super-uncooperative seller. Is there more you're not telling us? i.e. if the price is AMAZINGLYUNBELIEVABLE, that would certainly provide some important context to accompany all this seller recalcitrance.
 
Both party are saving money by not transferring a bike ownership over(curbsiding). If you really want to see their name on the ownership/uvio them be prepared to pay them the costs to have it transferred to their name.
 
After getting frustrated with private sellers refusing to get the UVIP, I phoned the MTO to ask what the fine was for someone caught breaking the HTA law stating it must be provided by the seller. They tried their best but couldn't answer my question. The MTO wasn't even sure if anybody had been charged for that before. I think they should atleast make it known that it is mandatory to sellers and enforce it, if they are so keen on collecting the $20 buyers who were not given it. Better yet just make it available online, and for free.

UVIP is a income generator for the MTO. The law is not enforced, but you need a UVIP to make a transfer, they don't seem to care if the seller or buyer purchases it.

No VIN or UVIP, the seller is hiding something and there are lots of bikes for sale.
 
jeprox13: you seem really keen on buying this particular bike despite all these red flags and just a super-uncooperative seller. Is there more you're not telling us? i.e. if the price is AMAZINGLYUNBELIEVABLE, that would certainly provide some important context to accompany all this seller recalcitrance.

I'm keen on finding the truth, I have no attachments to the bike. If anything is fishy I have no problem walking away. (it's by Niagara...so at least I can hit up the CASINO! WOOT! Double my cash n buy a new Hayabusa w/ extended swing arm lol(kidding) =P

Spoke to the seller today, he said he has the UVIP from the previous owner and registration signed.
I'm going to check out the bike today to make sure it's A-OK and ask a bajillion questions to see if he mucks up.


It's an '85 Ninja(GPZ) 900 for anyone curious. Looks clean...we'll just have to see. Been doing a ton of research on it.
 
$20 for a UVIP. I have no issues with a seller providing it, (although they are required by law to provide it, there is an actual HTA charge for not providing it).

I would be more concerned he is unwilling to give you the VIN

Had a seller try that once. "I won't give you the VIN, just let me talk to your insurance company and I'll sort it out..." LOL.
 
walk away...
if he owns he bike and has for years then ask why he never registered it. I believe the law states that you only have 7 days from the date of sale to transfer ownership.
 

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