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Funny thing is that I've owned two Volkswagens that both went well past 400,000 km before I sold them. Sure, they were in the shop the odd time, but nothing out of whack for something with that mileage on it. (Brakes, tires, wheel bearings, strut bearings, timing belt/water pump. The Passat had some door latch and lock issues and instrument-cluster power supply nuisances which that model was known for, but in the grand scheme of things, no big deal.)
 
Funny thing is that I've owned two Volkswagens that both went well past 400,000 km before I sold them. Sure, they were in the shop the odd time, but nothing out of whack for something with that mileage on it. (Brakes, tires, wheel bearings, strut bearings, timing belt/water pump. The Passat had some door latch and lock issues and instrument-cluster power supply nuisances which that model was known for, but in the grand scheme of things, no big deal.)

That may not sound like a big deal to you... and you were lucky. My friend bought previous-rental corolla - he got it to over 500k and didn't have any of those issues... And he paid probably less than one tenth of what you paid for it.
It's all relative, but numbers don't lie.

Those JD Power and Associates numbers are spot-on.
 
That may not sound like a big deal to you... and you were lucky. My friend bought previous-rental corolla - he got it to over 500k and didn't have any of those issues... And he paid probably less than one tenth of what you paid for it.
It's all relative, but numbers don't lie.

I would rather drive something that I actually like, even if it needs fixing now and again.

That Corolla would have had a major malfunction long before 500,000 km if I owned it. It would have gone over a cliff because I was sick of it. Too dull.
 
I would rather drive something that I actually like, even if it needs fixing now and again.

That Corolla would have had a major malfunction long before 500,000 km if I owned it. It would have gone over a cliff because I was sick of it. Too dull.

THIS. If you can take care of your own cars VW/Audi is very affordable. Aftermarket parts are not that much more expensive. If you are the typical condo owner ( :p ) that throws the keys to the dealer owning a VW AG can be brutal. I got my B6 A4 for $5k 160 000KM. Even if I get only two years out of it I am ahead of a Hyundai owner that pays $25K for let's say 8 years. Considering my audi B4 90 cost me $3k (car and parts) over 7 years it should work out.
 
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I paid $23k, plus its new. I'm not buying other people's problems. You're taking a gamble. Wait till you need to go to the garage every month.

What I pay every month to fix my bmw is what I'm paying to finance my Hyundai
 
I wouldn't know what its like to take a car to get repaired...........it happens so infrequently. :)
 
I paid $23k, plus its new. I'm not buying other people's problems. You're taking a gamble. Wait till you need to go to the garage every month.

What I pay every month to fix my bmw is what I'm paying to finance my Hyundai



To keep your warranty you need to follow their maintenance schedule. It's frequent and quite expensive. Nothing like paying $300 for someone to peak at your hoses.
 
To keep your warranty you need to follow their maintenance schedule. It's frequent and quite expensive. Nothing like paying $300 for someone to peak at your hoses.
What maintenance?
$40 oil change?

I just had a steering wheel replaced because the leather was peeling
 
How long have you had it for? Il take a pic of the manual. Apparently they will deny warranty claims if you don't do all their "maintenance".
 
How long have you had it for? Il take a pic of the manual. Apparently they will deny warranty claims if you don't do all their "maintenance".

Providing you have receipts they can't do anything .

Oil change at every 6,000kms for Hyundai? In this day and age that's very low mileage for an recommended oil change.

Manufacture recommended and dealer recommended are often two different things.
 
Since we are on the subject of the Big H........

In this day and age of car manufacturers opening more plants in Mexico.... [URL="http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ford

Mexico was thought to be a better place to screw the Escort and the Lynx together, so they pulled those 2 units out of Oakville, and sent them 'south' to Mexico. (circa 1986)
Fact of the matter was, a VERY high percentage of Mexican workers did not return to work after their first paycheque. Very good tequila money!!
Production of the 2 models lasted less than 6 months. Ford threw $$$billions at that plant, hoping they could build cars, and pay workers a bull **** wage. Didn't work.
I hope they fall on their face again.
Windsor was shut out because of that ***** running the province wouldn't GIVE Ford enough money to make it feasible.

As for the "Big H" being built in your backyard?
From Wynne:
The province will chip in 10 per cent of the company's investment, which is $857 million.
^^^^ That's just this year - 2014.
That's NOT a HONDA investment ffs.
That's you, me, and every other poor sucker that lives under the wrath of the Liverall govt.

So the Alliston plant builds the Civic & CRV. How come YOU don't embrace them?
 
Mexico was thought to be a better place to screw the Escort and the Lynx together, so they pulled those 2 units out of Oakville, and sent them 'south' to Mexico. (

So the Alliston plant builds the Civic & CRV. How come YOU don't embrace them?

Lol, I remember a Car and Driver article, wish I could find it, where they tested a brand new Mercury Tracer from the Hermosillo, Mexican plant. The front seats were brown, and the rear seats and interior were grey. They took pics and posted it for everyone's amusement. How that got past quality control is anyone's guess. Good for a laugh.

The automakers are quickly discovering, although workers are plentiful down there, that there is a lack of SKILLED workers in Mexico causing all kinds of headaches.

As you know, I'm a family man now, the Civic doesn't cut it, and once upon a time I had a CRV.

Last time I checked, our current family hauler, 2012 Acura MDX, was built in Alliston.

Sent from my Passport
 
How long have you had it for? Il take a pic of the manual. Apparently they will deny warranty claims if you don't do all their "maintenance".
Had it since 2012.

Nowhere in the manual did they say this. This is scared tactics employed by the dealer. I buy my parts by the dealer if it goes bad I'm prepared to bring things to corporate Hyundai
 
Lol, I remember a Car and Driver article, wish I could find it, where they tested a brand new Mercury Tracer from the Hermosillo, Mexican plant. The front seats were brown, and the rear seats and interior were grey. They took pics and posted it for everyone's amusement. How that got past quality control is anyone's guess. Good for a laugh.

The automakers are quickly discovering, although workers are plentiful down there, that there is a lack of SKILLED workers in Mexico causing all kinds of headaches.

As you know, I'm a family man now, the Civic doesn't cut it, and once upon a time I had a CRV.

Last time I checked, our current family hauler, 2012 Acura MDX, was built in Alliston.

Sent from my Passport

MDX's are now built in Alabama, noticeable difference in quality compared to Alliston i.e a lot worse.
 
Lol, I remember a Car and Driver article, wish I could find it, where they tested a brand new Mercury Tracer from the Hermosillo, Mexican plant. The front seats were brown, and the rear seats and interior were grey. They took pics and posted it for everyone's amusement. How that got past quality control is anyone's guess. Good for a laugh.

The automakers are quickly discovering, although workers are plentiful down there, that there is a lack of SKILLED workers in Mexico causing all kinds of headaches.

As you know, I'm a family man now, the Civic doesn't cut it, and once upon a time I had a CRV.

Last time I checked, our current family hauler, 2012 Acura MDX, was built in Alliston.

Sent from my Passport

Decent foremen were few & far between during my 'stint' at OAP.
When that Mexican plant finally opened for production (several years late), several people from Ford mgmt throughout N.A. were chosen / asked / forced to do a tenure down there, to "get things going".
At the time, my boss, who oddly was a decent guy, went down for a few months. I'd be lying if I put an exact number on it. Likely 3, or 4 months.
The stories he had upon his return were priceless.

I've heard & read on gtam that auto companies don't need skilled labour. Guess that isn't so, is it?
Working people are physically similar - here & in Mexico.
It's not "skilled" workers they lack in Mexico. They lack workers who will commit to doing what they're supposed to be doing for more than one shift.
Being hired & thrown on an auto assembly line is not an easy thing to swallow.
I'm sure the culture difference is the major problem.
Again - I hope Ford's Mexican engine plant has the same outcome as their assembly attempts.
Bring back the "Cleveland / Windsor" V8 wars!!!!


BTW. I know a few "family men" who get by with a Civic!! I think you should give it a go. :p

MDX's are now built in Alabama, noticeable difference in quality compared to Alliston i.e a lot worse.

What do you think the major contributing factor to that is?
 
There is a 7 passenger Santa Fe for a fairly good price, was that too small for your family?
Yes, we tried that. SUV's typically weren't suitable, because of the tightness in the back seat. 3 teenaged boys, with size 14 feet, plus any stuff on a trip. The oldest is 6'4". In some of the vehicles his knees were up around his ears.

Most salesmen (I emphasise MOST), have no clue what product they're trying to sell. You'd think if this as your job & you're talking about them 8hrs a day you'd have an idea.

The last time I was at a dealership I kindly asked the salesman there if this seat folds flat. He said he didn't know. I proceeded to fold the thing flat & his response was, that's cool.

*face palm*

We ended up buying in Toronto, which is four hours away,
because of the handling we got from a salesman at the nearby dealership, but that's another story.
 
Yes, we tried that. SUV's typically weren't suitable, because of the tightness in the back seat. 3 teenaged boys, with size 14 feet, plus any stuff on a trip. The oldest is 6'4". In some of the vehicles his knees were up around his ears.

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I think you need a Bus!
 

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