Couple things come to mind, in keeping with thread theme perhaps guy in gif should be kneecapped (when in Romania do as the Romanians do) and there's a chicks with bikes thread? I bet I haven't posted there yet. Will correct this oversight soon.
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Niqab ban at Citizenship Ceremony
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Couple things come to mind, in keeping with thread theme perhaps guy in gif should be kneecapped (when in Romania do as the Romanians do) and there's a chicks with bikes thread? I bet I haven't posted there yet. Will correct this oversight soon.
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I agree that if you are in Canada and our law contradicts your religious beliefs, you should have never moved to Canada. Pretty arrogant to take the advantages of living here and try to change the country to suit the things you don't agree with, take the good and the bad.
Exactly, people leave their ****** countries to come here, then try to bring the same bs they left form here...
Don't like it go back home.
For the record im an immigrant myself
It's about equality right? If you gonna protest they can't discriminate against you when a beat down comes...
this came in my email recently, does it suit this thread...
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Any religion I looked at had some form of sacrifice. Baptists couldn't drink or serve alcohol for example. Catholics gave up things for Lent and had to follow the Pope's instructions. Jews couldn't eat pork. (I could live without ham but not bacon)
If I wanted to be a baptist and was offered a million dollars a year to run the LCBO I would have to turn the job down and work at Walmart.
That is what commitment to your religion means. If I chose a religion that said I had to evangelize in a country where doing so meant the likelihood of being stoned to death I would have to accept it or forgo my faith.
If my religion said I couldn't look at scantily clad buxom women and the law of the land said it was legal for women to be scantily clad I would have to wear a blindfold when walking Wasaga Beach or stroll at midnight on a cloudy night.
If the law says Photo ID required then the photo has to match the person not the set of drapes in front of their face.
Maybe a Catholic can confirm but some Nuns have similar strict rules and they meet their commitments by entering a convent and never coming out. You have the right to build a wall around yourself but not around me.
You can't have it both ways. The laws that give you rights also give me rights.
If I wanted to be a baptist and was offered a million dollars a year to run the LCBO I would have to turn the job down and work at Walmart.
That is what commitment to your religion means. If I chose a religion that said I had to evangelize in a country where doing so meant the likelihood of being stoned to death I would have to accept it or forgo my faith.
If my religion said I couldn't look at scantily clad buxom women and the law of the land said it was legal for women to be scantily clad I would have to wear a blindfold when walking Wasaga Beach or stroll at midnight on a cloudy night.
If the law says Photo ID required then the photo has to match the person not the set of drapes in front of their face.
Maybe a Catholic can confirm but some Nuns have similar strict rules and they meet their commitments by entering a convent and never coming out. You have the right to build a wall around yourself but not around me.
You can't have it both ways. The laws that give you rights also give me rights.
Riceburner
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As an immigrant myself, I didn't choose to come here, I was a kid, but I'm glad I did and wholly embrace being Canadian. I applause for Quebec as well...at least for this issue. Interesting that the province that wants to leave is the one upholding some of it's standards. Religious freedom should be kept separate from the state. i.e wear your hijab all you want, but where ID or whatever is required be prepared to remove it. If you have a problem with not being covered up....don't go to the beach and complain that the women are in bikinis.
In the reverse....what are the chances a woman can freely stroll down the street in a crop top and booty shorts in say, Iraq or similar?
In the reverse....what are the chances a woman can freely stroll down the street in a crop top and booty shorts in say, Iraq or similar?
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I'm also an immigrant who came to this country not by choice, but because my parents brought me when I was 9 years old.
Best decision they could've made for us at the time, and I'm glad they did at a huge burden for them to start fresh. They left their entire families behind, jobs, property, and everything they had to come here.
I'm all for people keeping their religion, traditions, customs alive and well as it brings diversity which makes this country strong. HOWEVER...I am also of the belief that once these traditions, customs, and religious beliefs clash with the fabric that comes with being a Canadian you must decide which is more important to you, and either accept the CANADIAN version, or go back home as clearly that is more important to you.
One of the things I disagree within Canada is that people can go 10, 20, 30 years without a need to learn English...that's ******** in my opinion because they are no longer in their homeland and they came here and should integrate with the country. You elected to come to this country, which means that in some way you wanted out of your own land for whatever reason. We cannot keep pandering to each and every nationality that comes here....MERRY CHRISTMAS being a perfect example.
Best decision they could've made for us at the time, and I'm glad they did at a huge burden for them to start fresh. They left their entire families behind, jobs, property, and everything they had to come here.
I'm all for people keeping their religion, traditions, customs alive and well as it brings diversity which makes this country strong. HOWEVER...I am also of the belief that once these traditions, customs, and religious beliefs clash with the fabric that comes with being a Canadian you must decide which is more important to you, and either accept the CANADIAN version, or go back home as clearly that is more important to you.
One of the things I disagree within Canada is that people can go 10, 20, 30 years without a need to learn English...that's ******** in my opinion because they are no longer in their homeland and they came here and should integrate with the country. You elected to come to this country, which means that in some way you wanted out of your own land for whatever reason. We cannot keep pandering to each and every nationality that comes here....MERRY CHRISTMAS being a perfect example.
I fully agree except I don't. I came here at age seven(7) when my father was forty six(46). He is now 94, and after a full working life and doing all the normal things can barely understand or speak English. I know if I move to another country now I would never pick up the language unless it was Ireland or maybe Scotland. How do I know this? Because I lost my native language very quickly despite others with same experience did not.
My dad was about the same age when we came to Canada, he can understand and speak English just fine. Did your dad have a job which required him to communicate in the English language during those 50 years?
All 4 of us came here without a word of English in our vocabulary...yes it took a long time for my parents to learn English but they did. They can communicate just fine in English, with an accent of course. Around the home it's always been Polish for us. I am fully bi-lingual in both English and Polish and I credit my parents for that as I'm glad that I can still communicate in my native tongue.
As for my statement, as I said I don't agree with people living here their entire life without learning English (or French) as that is the common language in Canada. To me it shows a lack of respect for the country you chose to make your home, similar to crying foul when the country you move to won't bend on your wishes to respect YOUR culture.
Keep your language for tradition and culture if you want, but learn the language of your new 'home' otherwise it just seems like a temporary place to visit IMHO.
I guess my point is that it's not within everybodys' grasp. A lot of times all I see is lips moving and hear noise. That's not conducive to learning a new language. If somebody willfully refuses to learn, that's another thing and probably what you're referring to. My father worked for 19 yrs. to 65 at a factory production job which might have been beneath him but after POW in Russia and 8 kids he kind of boxed himself in. He should have been in a trade. He built 2 houses with his bare hands.
homme de fer
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Getting back to the thread topic, wearing a niqab at the citizenship ceremony, I have to point out that the niqab isn't necessarily a mandatory part of the Islam; it a choice of clothing. A woman who chooses to wear a niqab isn't any more "Islamic" than a woman who chooses not to. While the choice to wear the niqab is condoned within some sects of Islam, the headwear isn't mandatory.
On that fact alone, lawyers for the woman involved would first have to prove the headwear is a mandatory and crucial part of the religion (it isn't) in order to argue that taking it off would countervene her rights as a Canadian citizen (which she isn't yet).
I'm fairly liberal about religion and don't care if you worship pasta (see Flying Spaguetti Monster) as long as you don't impose any of that on me. But, if you want in as a citizen you need to prove you are willing to say the oath in the presence of others. I can't see how one can do that from behind a mask. After the oath, wear whatever floats your boat.
On that fact alone, lawyers for the woman involved would first have to prove the headwear is a mandatory and crucial part of the religion (it isn't) in order to argue that taking it off would countervene her rights as a Canadian citizen (which she isn't yet).
I'm fairly liberal about religion and don't care if you worship pasta (see Flying Spaguetti Monster) as long as you don't impose any of that on me. But, if you want in as a citizen you need to prove you are willing to say the oath in the presence of others. I can't see how one can do that from behind a mask. After the oath, wear whatever floats your boat.
BigEvilDoer
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FSM's official headgear: upside down spaghetti strainer. Awesome.
Oops ya sorry about that. Good information in your post. It doesn't appear she has a leg to stand on. Crazy bish.
redridernl
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I have to remove my helmet when I go to the bank so they can see my face. Riding is my religion.
homme de fer
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That she wants to wear her niqab at the ceremony doesn't really bother me. What DOES bother me is a how a new immigrant has the financial ability to take this to court. I think others may have spoken/written about it previously, but I think certain people in Canada within Islam were spoiling for a fight to legitimize the more "extreme" version of Islam so they can use it against others.
For example, most within the Islam religion know the niqab isn't part of the religion; it is just a way to further marginalize women. However, if this lawsuit is successful, the more "extreme", and dare we say intolerant, parts of Islam will use the victory to further push for more women to be vailed after having somehow proved it is an important part of that religion. It's a slippery slope because the next step will be to push for legitimacy of Sharia law within Canada. The lawsuit over the niqab is just a trojan horse.
For example, most within the Islam religion know the niqab isn't part of the religion; it is just a way to further marginalize women. However, if this lawsuit is successful, the more "extreme", and dare we say intolerant, parts of Islam will use the victory to further push for more women to be vailed after having somehow proved it is an important part of that religion. It's a slippery slope because the next step will be to push for legitimacy of Sharia law within Canada. The lawsuit over the niqab is just a trojan horse.
Most religions end up with leaders that misquote their religious texts. The tea totalling Christians ban the consumption of alcohol but I don't recall the Bible banning it. What is condemned is the abuse of the stuff. It seems that we all need an outlet for one form of hate or another.
There's good money in stirring up hate. Get a bunch of people riled up and tell them you need their money to help fight the devil.
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