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I always believed that having an education and working your *** off will get you easily to a $100k salary...well it's not as simple as that.

Education will help to a point. Only one of my 'educated' friends with B. Eng., P. Eng, MBA, MEng have broken the $100k mark, average is 70-85k. My buddy in accounting easily gets close to 150k or so...but he works his *** off for it.

However, I know a good bunch of people who make b/w 100-140k without any formal education just doing simple labour jobs and killing it in overtime. One guy never finished university, or college, but his dad knew a guy who got him into a position and he's making a stupid amount of money and laughs all day long at how little he works for it. But these jobs are hard to get because the competition is fierce, and helping to know someone on the inside is the only way in.

On the other hand, I agree with those that say there is money to be made. There's a ton of money to be made if you are WILLING and WANT it bad enough. Simple example, I was unemployed and through some digging and able to score a small contracting job was able to make a good amount in a few months, but it took a lot of physical effort. I don't do as much of it now because frankly I don't have time, but the money is there. And now I'm trying to expand on that effort in order to improve my own situation as I want to make more money and going through a traditional channel of working for someone else it's very difficult to step up in salary grades.

People are afraid of doing their own physical labour, and many look down on the trades as 'uneducated' but sorry, those uneducated people are the ones that'll always have work if they want it, because it takes a certain skill set (which can be taught) and a knack for it.

There's a lot of guys out who do very well for themselves doing simple work like mowing lawns, landscaping, painting, flooring etc...all it takes is some creativity, skills to complete a task, and getting off your *** to go get it.
 
While there are not enough 100k jobs for everyone in Canada there are more 100k jobs than there are people willing to WORK them. There is a labour shortage, one of the reasons they pay so well (basic supply and demand). There are also a bunch of jobs paying 40k, 50k, 60k... plus, I saw one in Alberta paying 23 an hour to park cars! The examples are mind boggling.

We have open jobs paying 100k a year requiring no skills they cannot fill. Even more in the 40k plus range. We have new immigrants that come here with nothing and they build great wealth. Yet we have people whining they can't live on a min wage of less than $15 and the man is kepping them down... it is all about choice.


There is a labour shortage in some areas like edmonton, but the overall rate of unemployment is 7%.
Not to mention the jobs created every month are mostly part time so that 7% is
Not very accurate. I am sure we can agree the middle class was in much better shape several years ago.
 
I always believed that having an education and working your *** off will get you easily to a $100k salary...well it's not as simple as that.

Education will help to a point. Only one of my 'educated' friends with B. Eng., P. Eng, MBA, MEng have broken the $100k mark, average is 70-85k. My buddy in accounting easily gets close to 150k or so...but he works his *** off for it.

However, I know a good bunch of people who make b/w 100-140k without any formal education just doing simple labour jobs and killing it in overtime. One guy never finished university, or college, but his dad knew a guy who got him into a position and he's making a stupid amount of money and laughs all day long at how little he works for it. But these jobs are hard to get because the competition is fierce, and helping to know someone on the inside is the only way in.

On the other hand, I agree with those that say there is money to be made. There's a ton of money to be made if you are WILLING and WANT it bad enough. Simple example, I was unemployed and through some digging and able to score a small contracting job was able to make a good amount in a few months, but it took a lot of physical effort. I don't do as much of it now because frankly I don't have time, but the money is there. And now I'm trying to expand on that effort in order to improve my own situation as I want to make more money and going through a traditional channel of working for someone else it's very difficult to step up in salary grades.

People are afraid of doing their own physical labour, and many look down on the trades as 'uneducated' but sorry, those uneducated people are the ones that'll always have work if they want it, because it takes a certain skill set (which can be taught) and a knack for it.

There's a lot of guys out who do very well for themselves doing simple work like mowing lawns, landscaping, painting, flooring etc...all it takes is some creativity, skills to complete a task, and getting off your *** to go get it.

Let me get this straight, you did a job with alot of physical labour and now dont want to that any longer......and you are wondering why people would rather go to school and do a desk job? Imagine how you will feel in 20 years about physical labour!
 
Let me get this straight, you did a job with alot of physical labour and now dont want to that any longer......and you are wondering why people would rather go to school and do a desk job? Imagine how you will feel in 20 years about physical labour!

I think you misread my fourth paragraph:

I don't do as much of it now because frankly I don't have time, but the money is there. And now I'm trying to expand on that effort in order to improve my own situation as I want to make more money and going through a traditional channel of working for someone else it's very difficult to step up in salary grades.


I am currently in the process of trying to pick up more work on a part-time basis as I enjoy my job, and the contracting world is very irregular in pay/jobs. So while I build my skills I will continue working, and then trying to build on the skills that I've gained. It's tough and hard to get gigs, but it's better than sitting on my *** at home and wasting the time. I'll be making up more marketing material in the next few weeks and start to go after jobs more aggressively in order to give this a shot.

Also, I'm not wondering why people would rather do a desk job, I know why they would, it's easier and most people are very happy doing the minimum amount of work and expecting everything else to come to them, and happen without any effort whatsoever. I was like that too when I was younger, but I learned my lesson that the world doesn't work that way.
 
There's a lot of guys out who do very well for themselves doing simple work like mowing lawns, landscaping, painting, flooring etc...all it takes is some creativity, skills to complete a task, and getting off your *** to go get it.

The above is so true. My brothers friend started a little lawn mowing company in high school and now Lawn Troopers is one of the top companies in the GTA. They've even expanded to plowing and as far as I know, he's doing financially quite well, as is my brothers other friends who work there.

I would also hate a desk job doing the same boring task day in day out while sitting on my butt for 8 hours.
 
The above is so true. My brothers friend started a little lawn mowing company in high school and now Lawn Troopers is one of the top companies in the GTA. They've even expanded to plowing and as far as I know, he's doing financially quite well, as is my brothers other friends who work there.

I would also hate a desk job doing the same boring task day in day out while sitting on my butt for 8 hours.

And why are you not sitting in the lawnmower for 8 hours a day working for your brothers friend?
 
You have to look at this logically.

Why do we have to raise wages at all?
Because costs are sky rocketing. Why are they sky rocketing?
Because governments around the world are de-valuing their currencies through money printing.

So corporations have to cut costs in order to off set the increases in raw materials.
By governments forcing companies to raise wages, all they are really doing is driving jobs out of the country. This has been going on for decades.
It’s just going to get worse.


Peter Schiff on Minimum Wage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjD23OcVJvk
 
You're missing the point. Most people that make more than $100k didn't get their job by applying online, going to an interview then getting a salary. They make their own jobs. The salary guys making that usually have 6+ year in university followed by 5+ years working their buts off 10+ hours a day (usually at a desk) 6+ days a week. Who knows how much debt they took on to get there but they probably don't feel like they make 100k after making student loan payments

It's really hard to find reliable and capable people to do dirty jobs, so people who do them make a lot of money.

There are only so many jobs that pay $100K to go around, if it was as easy as some are saying then most would have one.
 
I think its also worth noting that our money doesn't reach as far as previous generations, so the old tale of my parents came here with blah blah blah and succeeded (ps my parents did the same) or I moved out when I was sixteen and put myself through school doesn't really apply anymore. I talk to a ish load of university students about their debt load when finishing school and they start to shutter hoping they actually get into the field they studied...also many companies are replacing one full time position with two part timers to avoid paying benefits and other fee's.

Its not easy out there folks, so help each other out...Have a good gig? hook up a friend you think is in need.
 
I think its also worth noting that our money doesn't reach as far as previous generations, so the old tale of my parents came here with blah blah blah and succeeded (ps my parents did the same) or I moved out when I was sixteen and put myself through school doesn't really apply anymore. I talk to a ish load of university students about their debt load when finishing school and they start to shutter hoping they actually get into the field they studied...also many companies are replacing one full time position with two part timers to avoid paying benefits and other fee's.

Its not easy out there folks, so help each other out...Have a good gig? hook up a friend you think is in need.

^^^ this.
 
I think its also worth noting that our money doesn't reach as far as previous generations, so the old tale of my parents came here with blah blah blah and succeeded (ps my parents did the same) or I moved out when I was sixteen and put myself through school doesn't really apply anymore. I talk to a ish load of university students about their debt load when finishing school and they start to shutter hoping they actually get into the field they studied...also many companies are replacing one full time position with two part timers to avoid paying benefits and other fee's.

Its not easy out there folks, so help each other out...Have a good gig? hook up a friend you think is in need.

Totally true...getting on the housing ladder is a pipedream for many people these days. Some will always rent as there's no alternative (not that house ownership is always something to aspire to). The people saying move for work have a valid point, but look where you're moving to. What kind of quality of life do you have there? Can you afford the housing there? It used to be that Fort MacMurray had a large camping component as even with the high wages workers couldn't afford accomodation. There was a porta toilet shortage one year with them being shipped to Alberta from Ontario even.

The profits of some corporations and the remuneration of the highest managers is out of control at the expense of some of their lowest paid workers. An adjustment should have been made a while ago but now this is the norm. There's nothing wrong with making money that you've earned, the question is what is the limit on that for the highest ranked individuals at a company. There's also the question of the skills these people bring to the table, I know of one CEO who more or less drove a company into the ground with bad decisions, he popped up as the CEO of another company a little while later because of the network these people work in. It's nothing more than nepotism in some cases.
 
I think its also worth noting that our money doesn't reach as far as previous generations, so the old tale of my parents came here with blah blah blah and succeeded (ps my parents did the same) or I moved out when I was sixteen and put myself through school doesn't really apply anymore. I talk to a ish load of university students about their debt load when finishing school and they start to shutter hoping they actually get into the field they studied...also many companies are replacing one full time position with two part timers to avoid paying benefits and other fee's.

Its not easy out there folks, so help each other out...Have a good gig? hook up a friend you think is in need.

Inflation...

Back then they had the same people crying, bitching and whining that they too couldn't make it.

When i was in high school and college i met a lot of people. Majority of them were born here, some came here at a later age but in the end all were pretty much given the same opportunities since they all had access to free schools, health care, majority of parents were middle class average folks etc..

After being friends with these individuals for years i pretty much knew who was going to be successful in life and who was going to be making excuses throughout their entire life working a dead end job. And surprise surprise, 10+ years later after i run into them one by one, and there are very few stories that shock me. The guys/girls who in high school and college couldn't scrape up 10 bucks to their name are working silly jobs today and haven't done much to change their lives for the better.

On the other hand the guys/girls who in college and high school paid for their own school, purchased their own vehicles, had jobs etc . today majority of them have their own businesses.

Exact same city, education, and opportunities. Only difference was the attitude, outlook at life and motivation to do something with their life vs sitting at home watching tv or going clubbing every weekend.

Totally true...getting on the housing ladder is a pipedream for many people these days. Some will always rent as there's no alternative (not that house ownership is always something to aspire to). The people saying move for work have a valid point, but look where you're moving to. What kind of quality of life do you have there? Can you afford the housing there? It used to be that Fort MacMurray had a large camping component as even with the high wages workers couldn't afford accomodation. There was a porta toilet shortage one year with them being shipped to Alberta from Ontario even.

The profits of some corporations and the remuneration of the highest managers is out of control at the expense of some of their lowest paid workers. An adjustment should have been made a while ago but now this is the norm. There's nothing wrong with making money that you've earned, the question is what is the limit on that for the highest ranked individuals at a company. There's also the question of the skills these people bring to the table, I know of one CEO who more or less drove a company into the ground with bad decisions, he popped up as the CEO of another company a little while later because of the network these people work in. It's nothing more than nepotism in some cases.

A record high of 70%+ of people in canada own a property, how is it a pipe dream?
The fact that its stupid expensive and where we'll eventually end up is a whole other debate...

And why should there be a limit on what somebody makes? If someone is willing to pay their salary what is the issue? Capitalism or socialism? Pick one and move to your country of choice accordingly...
 
You know what? Screw it. Let them stratosphere the min wage. From personal experience i know tons of large companies who cannot take the burden of higher wages. They will switch to automation as it becomes more cost effective. 20 people cutting up chicken or one million dollar automated line which can replace them all.

One plant owner in Montreal specifically told me that if wages go any higher hes investing in more automation.

Good for me as me and my company are swamped with work selling and maintaining these machines.
 
Running a temp agency is crazy lucrative with the current job market
You get around the same hourly wage as the poor SOB that actually does the work
 
Running a temp agency is crazy lucrative with the current job market
You get around the same hourly wage as the poor SOB that actually does the work

Ive heard that as well. Hell a few of the recruiters I tried working with asked me in for interviews to be a recruiter under guise of an interview for a different job...

very lucrative business, but huge competition, and also very difficult to break into.

id say the toughest part would be finding proper candidates for the roles and of course building the relationships with client hr offices. And of course waiting for payment as you need to pay the staff...so cash flow is extremely important as clients take longer to pay sometimes.
 
Running a temp agency is crazy lucrative with the current job market
You get around the same hourly wage as the poor SOB that actually does the work
What do you mean? They make the same as the person working for them? I thought they only take a couple dollars from their paycheck?
 

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