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Annual gas price bitching thread

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Since this is a new record since 2008, let's rage.

Good CBC article http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/gas-price-hike-brace-for-3-more-months-of-pain-at-pumps-1.2682515

Small extract

McTeague blamed jitters and excessive financial speculation over instability in the Middle East for “distorting” fuel prices.

Meanwhile, he noted, actual supply for crude has never been better.

Translation, the bogey man is a SEROUS threat. Someone touches a goat in the middle east inappropriately and we have a sectarian war. Guess it's too warm to to blame it on heating demand.



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I got an idea. Lets build a pipeline so we can get it out of the country faster. Why is our government stabbing us in the back? Don't our great great great great grandchildren need gas and oil? It's a national resource and should be treated as such. I AM CANADIAN!
 
Awfully familiar to what happened in 2008 right before the dump, High gas prices, stock market hitting record highs....I dunno, history repeats itself.

More focused comment. I'm glad my trucks diesel. $1.26 and 8.8L/100km. Yea i can live with that.
 
Awfully familiar to what happened in 2008 right before the dump, High gas prices, stock market hitting record highs....I dunno, history repeats itself.

More focused comment. I'm glad my trucks diesel. $1.26 and 8.8L/100km. Yea i can live with that.

Which truck? 8.8L dang... I wish I had that kinda mileage. My Pathfinder is a hog, I'm lucky to get 14L/100km.

Sadly, the gas savings of moving to a more economical car just wouldn't offset the price of entry.
 
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2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD

Which truck? 8.8L dang... I wish I had that kinda mileage. My Pathfinder is a hog, I'm lucky to get 14L/100km.

Sadly, the gas savings of moving to a more economical car just wouldn't offset the price of entry.
 
Something else to think about

Norway's Oil Fund Heads For $1 Trillion; So Where Is Alberta's Pot Of Gold?
Daniel Tencer01/11/14 01:02 PM ET
Every man, woman and child in oil-rich Norway became a theoretical millionaire this week.

The country’s oil fund — which collects taxes from oil profits and invests the money, mostly in stocks — exceeded 5.11 trillion crowns ($905 billion) in value this week, making it worth a million crowns per person, or about $177,000 per Norwegian.

That’s right. Norway, the “socialist paradise,” is effectively running a surplus of nearly a trillion dollars, thanks to oil revenue.

About the same time this happened, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation released calculations showing that the taxpayers of Alberta are on the hook for $7.7 billion in debt, or about $1,925 per person. It expects the debt to spike to $17 billion by the end of the 2015-2016 fiscal year. The CTF is so alarmed by the province’s descent into deficits that it has launched a debt clock specifically for Alberta.

What's wrong with this picture? Norway, with an economy and population somewhat larger but on the same scale as Alberta's, has managed to guarantee its citizens' prosperity for decades to come. Norway's oil production is declining, down to one-half what it was in 2001. Alberta, where oil production keeps growing and growing, is writing IOUs.

Norway isn’t the only one, though its fund is the largest. The United Arab Emirates’ funds are valued in excess of US$800 billion, Kuwait has about US$400 billion, and Russia and Kazakhstan have accumulated about US$180 billion each.

These facts should renew the long-running debate about whether the federal government or the provincial governments of oil-rich provinces should set up the sort of sovereign wealth fund that has made Norway stupendously, incomprehensibly rich.

But are Albertans, or other Canadians, ready for the sort of reforms that would turn Alberta into the new Norway?

In socialist-leaning Norway, oil profits — including from state-run Statoil — are taxed up to a whopping 78 per cent, and that’s where the seed money for the fund comes from.

Alberta, meanwhile, never even had a provincial sales tax. Albertans pay far, far lower taxes than Norwegians, and if conventional economic theory is right, this should give Alberta the advantage.

But does it?

The average total income in Alberta is around $53,000, well below the province's (stunning) economic output of $80,000 per person. Norway's economic output is actually much lower than Alberta's, at $65,000 per person, but its average income is about the same, at $58,000. Norwegians take home a much larger chunk of the economy's wealth than Albertans do.

The Alberta government blames its deficit on the “bitumen bubble.” Oilsands product is selling for considerably less than conventional crude, mostly because of the boom in shale oil production in the U.S. It was selling for 22 per cent less than West Texas Intermediate oil as of this week, and this, apparently, is putting pressure on Alberta's finances.

But this is a sad excuse. Norway, too, has had to deal with low oil prices over the decades, but always found the political will to feed its rainy day fund.

Alberta “was just greedy and decided that a drunken, blow-out dance party today was better than a string of candle-lit dinner parties down the road,” writes noted economics reporter Eric Reguly in Corporate Knights.

Had Alberta set up a proper sovereign wealth fund decades ago as Norway had — or even if it were simply willing to draw higher royalties — it could use that money to stay out of deficits. It wouldn’t have to go begging to the federal government for aid when flooding hits.

This isn’t news to policymakers. The IMF, the Canadian International Council (CIC), and a recent University of Saskatchewan report are among those recommending Canadian governments set up sovereign wealth funds.

“The arguments in favour were just so logical,” said Melanie Drohan, co-author of a CIC report favouring oil funds, in an interview with iPolitics.

It would insulate the economy from commodity price busts, allow governments to save for future generations, and perhaps best of all, “it would keep government spending within their means,” she said. “We wouldn’t have these huge surpluses going into huge deficits.”

Some parts of the country are listening. British Columbia Premier Christy Clark last year announced the creation of a wealth fund that will collect profits from the proposed development of the liquified natural gas (LNG) industry on the west coast.

It won’t be anywhere near the size of Norway’s fund; the B.C. government projects it will collect $100 billion of a projected $1 trillion in LNG wealth generated over the next 30 years. Then again, the LNG business in B.C. isn’t expected to be as large as Norway’s oil business.

But aside from B.C., there is little interest among elected officials. The Harper government has roundly rejected the creation of a federal sovereign wealth fund.

And in Alberta, the idea of a sovereign wealth fund appears to have come and gone. The province came close when then-Premier Peter Lougheed set up the Heritage Savings Fund back in 1976. But the province didn't take it seriously at all. After a decade in operation, Alberta's government basically stopped paying into it, instead drawing on it as another source of revenue. It stands today at a measly $16.7 billion, a tiny fraction of what Norway has accumulated.

Incidentally, the fund's size is about what Alberta’ debt is projected to be in a couple years. The province could just give up the ghost, raid the fund and pay off the debt.

It won’t help make Alberta a more fiscally responsible place in the future, but at least it will temporarily eliminate the unforgivable embarrassment of Canada’s wealthiest, most economically dynamic province showing the world how to waste its wealth.


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As for cars my next car is a compact diesel. They have great economy but the torque is there when you want it. Unfortunately (for me) golfs hold their value really well. I might go for a beetle. "Homo" but who cares, they are cheaper. However, holding on to my 10-12 L/100km car is more cost effective until I have to put serious money in it.


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How long have you had it? Reliable.?

Since October, i've put 30K on it. It has 225K right now.

GDE tune that eliminates a whole bunch of crap from the ECU programming helped power, realibility and economy. Only thing is the $700 price tag.

Front shocks front and rear wheel bearing so far. I attribute that to the age and km of the truck.

Other than that, knock on wood no other issues. It is a Merc power plant. OM642 thats been used all over the world in fleet vehicles.
 
The fuel price would be around 1$ per liter if it weren't for taxes...taxes we pay on money that was already taxed (income tax)
And tax on top of tax (hst)
 
Stop bitching. I'm in Montreal right now and it's worse. Any way you slice it gas prices are a rip off
 
I'm happy with my Elantra. Not excellent, but still good.

But get ready for another economic collapse
 
As for cars my next car is a compact diesel. They have great economy but the torque is there when you want it. Unfortunately (for me) golfs hold their value really well. I might go for a beetle. "Homo" but who cares, they are cheaper. However, holding on to my 10-12 L/100km car is more cost effective until I have to put serious money in it.


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I drove a Mitsubishi Montero turbo diesel up a volcano in Costa Rica and it was awesome. Damn thing went on forever. I would have bought a diesel Jeep Wrangler except they don't make them. Dunno why, would make sense to me!

As for unrest in the Middle East causing oil prices to rise that's absolute bollocks. Even terrorists have to sell the oil to someone or they become poor terrorists....so it's just a change of ownership. All this is just an excuse to gouge us by some shady OPEC members.
 
I drove a Mitsubishi Montero turbo diesel up a volcano in Costa Rica and it was awesome. Damn thing went on forever. I would have bought a diesel Jeep Wrangler except they don't make them. Dunno why, would make sense to me!

As for unrest in the Middle East causing oil prices to rise that's absolute bollocks. Even terrorists have to sell the oil to someone or they become poor terrorists....so it's just a change of ownership. All this is just an excuse to gouge us by some shady OPEC members.

No, it's US, our economic system that creates this ********. Speculators.


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No, it's US, our economic system that creates this ********. Speculators.


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those too...I forgot about those ********. It's the OPEC guys who settle on supply and threshold value though I think.
 
They make diesel wranglers, in USA, strictly for export. You can thank EPA Nazis for that.

I drove a Mitsubishi Montero turbo diesel up a volcano in Costa Rica and it was awesome. Damn thing went on forever. I would have bought a diesel Jeep Wrangler except they don't make them. Dunno why, would make sense to me!

As for unrest in the Middle East causing oil prices to rise that's absolute bollocks. Even terrorists have to sell the oil to someone or they become poor terrorists....so it's just a change of ownership. All this is just an excuse to gouge us by some shady OPEC members.
 
Gas prices will always rise. Simple reason. There is less demand as vehicles become more fuel efficient, and there is a glut coming.

The oil companies solution? keep raising prices so that profits are maintained even thought they will be selling less volume.


Got rid of my thirsty V6 sedan, for a zippy 4cyl and hope to replace our gas guzzling SUV within a few years. And now embarking on replacing out fleet of aging 16mpg V8 Econolines, with 4cyl diesel Sprinters (34mpg highway!).

Might as well put money back in our pockets instead of feeding the massive beast that is Oil Company INC.



IMHO, nothing beats a hybrid and they are indeed the future, but for you guys looking at Diesel cars........ I'd skip the Germans for quality reasons and go for the "coming soon" Mazda, http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-mazda-6-sedan-first-drive-review
 
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