Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
I think you're the one missing it, but anyway...
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We Know you Ride, But do you Shoot?
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Snobike Mike
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Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
Gimme a shout in a month or so and we'll make a day of it!
There's no crown land near the GTA where you can legally target shoot, it's a pipe dream. Unless you know someone with property, you need to use a club.
Gimme a shout in a month or so and we'll make a day of it!
There's no crown land near the GTA where you can legally target shoot, it's a pipe dream. Unless you know someone with property, you need to use a club.
GateKeeper
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info found here - http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...19-How-To-Find-Ontario-Crown-Land-to-Shoot-On
info found here - http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...19-How-To-Find-Ontario-Crown-Land-to-Shoot-On
[h=2]How To Find Ontario Crown Land to Shoot On[/h]A lot of people ask where can they shoot their gun in Ontario. Usual answers will include “crown land”, sometimes with a reference to the MNR web site, but otherwise with no real details on how to identify such land.
So here I will attempt to explain in some detail how to find such areas because I think a lot of people are not clear on all these details. Links for the web sites mentioned here are listed at the end.
The Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources has a web site that documents the Crown Land Use Policy Atlas (CLUPA). Using this web site, which covers a lot of the province, you can find details on the location and classification of the various crown lands in the province. (The far north, as well as southern Ontario are not yet covered.)
What you want to do is identify crown land that is classified as a “General Use” area – these areas are shown in yellow on the MNR CLUPA maps. Sometimes there will be diagonal lines overlaid: these indicate overlay areas which modify the rules for that area in some way. I just tend to look for areas that are all yellow without the overlay marking (then I don’t have to look up the additional restrictions associated with the overlay area).
Once you’ve picked a suitable spot, the website lets you get the land use report for that area: you need to look at this to see what the specific land use intent there is for that GUA (General Use Area), to make sure it is suitable for what you want to do (shooting).
Ultimately you need to find an area that is:
- Conveniently located for you (as much as possible)
- Big enough to safely shoot on (in any event you will have to find a spot that has some kind of backstop)
- Accessible – you can’t trespass on private property to get to crown land!
OK, enough words … lets walk through an example, with images:
When you start the map browser (link below), the top level map will look like this:
FIGURE 1
OK, that looks promising, lots of yellow not too far from the GTA. But when you zoom in you see more detail and it does not look as good:
FIGURE 2:
But that is what you have to work with! So lets work with it...say we want to pick a spot near the red X that I have marked in the above figure, which is close to the hamlet of Tory Hill, and south of Highway 118. You can zoom in and see the image below (notice the legend at the left, which shows that yellow is for the General Use Areas [to get the legend to be visible you first have to click the "Map Layers" tab, then the "Legend" button]):
FIGURE 3:
OK, we can see some roads going through the general use crown land (the yellow areas), and this crown land is of pretty decent size (see scale at bottom left), good! What you need to do is pick a specific spot you want to try and use and get the details on it thusly (the numbers refer to the markup in the image below): (1) click on the “Find Information” tab and then (2) click the “Get Land Use Information” button (“i” symbol): after doing this you can use the mouse to (3) click on a spot on the map to get the details for that area. Below is the result for a spot that I selected, where you can see that the web page shows (4) the primary land use summary information (this area is identified by policy ID G342, which can also be seen as a label on the map), with (5) a link to the land use report:
FIGURE 4:
Notice the spot I picked (3) has lots of crown land to the east - at least a couple miles show on the map.
If you click on the land use report link (see the item marked (5) in the above figure), a new page will open with the land use report. It looks like the image below, and if you scroll down you will see if the allowed recreational uses include hunting. Here, it DOES include hunting. That means you are good to use it for shooting!! (You need to be aware of the hunting regulations [so you need to figure out the WMU this area is in], best bet is to at least have a small game licence, or to have target shooting stuff – and set those up before you uncase your gun). Here is the land use report marked up to show how it indicates that hunting is allowed:
FIGURE 5:
That’s pretty much it – the basics at least. Except for a couple last tips:
TIP #1 Going back to the map view, you can get GPS coordinates of spots of interest as follows (with references to the markup in the image below): (1) click on the “Markup and Printing” tab, then (2) click on the “Add Pushpin” button, then (3) click on the “Label with map coordinates” checkbox, then if you click on spots on the map – e.g. (4a) and (4b) – a pushpin is drawn showing the GPS coordinates. In this example I’ve located the same spot as selected in the above diagram (the spot we want to park – (4b)), and also the spot on highway 118 we need to turn off at – (4a):
FIGURE 6:
TIP #2: The CLUPA maps do not show topographical detail. However MNR's LIO (Land Information Ontario) web site (see links at bottom) uses a similar kind of map interface to let you see a topopgraphical map view of any part of the province.
You can use this other Government of Ontario website to get a topographical view of your area of interest: this can help you make sure you pick an accessible spot, and to understand what the terrain will be like (how hilly, swamp locations, etc.).
Below is the image from the MNR LIO website (topographical view) showing a close up of the selected area we've been using in this example (I've marked with a blue circle the same spot as selected above):
FIGURE 7:
DISCLAIMER – I make no claims regarding the accuracy of any of the information in this post. Use at your own risk! (Corrections welcomed.)
LINKS:
Ontario Crown Land Use Policy Atlas – main page:
www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/LUEPS/2ColumnSubPage/STDU_137972.html
(short link: goo.gl/L6zVyu)
Ontario Crown Land Use Policy Atlas – map viewer:
www.giscoeapp.lrc.gov.on.ca/web/MNR/NHLUPS/CLUPA/Viewer/Viewer.html
(short link: goo.gl/EaBtEZ)
MNR's Land Information Ontario (LIO) Main web site:
www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/LIO/index.html
MNR's LIO Topographic Map maker web site:
www.giscoeapp.lrc.gov.on.ca/web/mnr/gib/basedata/viewer/viewer.html
Additional Info:
PineMartyn on Youtube has a good pair of videos that elaborates on this stuff more generally:
goo.gl/X3y8Q4 (Crown Land Camping & Hiking: What is it and why do it?)
goo.gl/A5HuFh (Crown Land - Part 2: How to find crown land in Ontario)
Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
In my experience, most of those places have signs that forbid target shooting, not hunting
In my experience, most of those places have signs that forbid target shooting, not hunting
Red_Liner740
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Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
Excellent post
Its pretty much how i came about finding my plinking area.
oh, just to add, finding Crown Land with general use area is not good enough. You also have to abide by local bylaws set forth by the local municipalities.
For instance, even if i found suitable Crown Land near my house (which there isnt any) i still couldnt go out and shoot as the local Simcoe bylaws prohibit discharging of firearms larger than 22rimfire and even then, only allowed by farmers for pest control.
Excellent post
Its pretty much how i came about finding my plinking area.
oh, just to add, finding Crown Land with general use area is not good enough. You also have to abide by local bylaws set forth by the local municipalities.
For instance, even if i found suitable Crown Land near my house (which there isnt any) i still couldnt go out and shoot as the local Simcoe bylaws prohibit discharging of firearms larger than 22rimfire and even then, only allowed by farmers for pest control.
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And... that pretty much kills it for me... until I head back up to Petawawa this summer.
Thanks for the links!
And... that pretty much kills it for me... until I head back up to Petawawa this summer.
Thanks for the links!
Motorcycle Mike
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I think that you would, but I'd call or email them to ask: Email: info@silverdalegunclub.com
Phone: 905-957-736
They don't have ex-military listed on their website, but I emailed them and they said that I qualify for the discount... and now that you mention it, I never told them that I was reg force... I just told them I am ex-military and asked if the discount applied. They said it did but I would need to prove it... discharge papers or something would do.
I plan to go hunting for crown land this coming summer... I have already digitized a large portion of the crown land atlas and converted it to .kmz to load into my GPS... that being said, Red Liner is right that that is not enough. There are still local rules to abide by, and then some people shooting on crown land have also been accused of poaching by the MNR. To counter that possibility I plan to bring my hunting license and tell them I am not poaching, I am actually hunting coyote or red fox (something in season all year)... I am just not a very good hunter and make too much noise shooting makeshift targets. ;-)
That is part of the reason I am considering joining Silverdale... sure lots of rules, etc, but I pay my fee and I don't need to mess with or worry about finding the land (over 2 hours from my house), thinking about the county bylaws (no Sunday shooting, etc), setting up targets, and most importantly, not having to deal with MNR officers with something stuck up their arse.
I do also plan to try the farmer route... I grew up in Stratford and have a bunch of farmer buddies -- one that owns over 1000 acres now. The problem is I haven't seen most of them in 10+ years and I feel like a dick contacting them essentially to hunt/shoot on their land... anyway, I'll figure out some way to ease into asking them and that might include a case of beer or a bottle of whiskey.
I think that you would, but I'd call or email them to ask: Email: info@silverdalegunclub.com
Phone: 905-957-736
They don't have ex-military listed on their website, but I emailed them and they said that I qualify for the discount... and now that you mention it, I never told them that I was reg force... I just told them I am ex-military and asked if the discount applied. They said it did but I would need to prove it... discharge papers or something would do.
I plan to go hunting for crown land this coming summer... I have already digitized a large portion of the crown land atlas and converted it to .kmz to load into my GPS... that being said, Red Liner is right that that is not enough. There are still local rules to abide by, and then some people shooting on crown land have also been accused of poaching by the MNR. To counter that possibility I plan to bring my hunting license and tell them I am not poaching, I am actually hunting coyote or red fox (something in season all year)... I am just not a very good hunter and make too much noise shooting makeshift targets. ;-)
That is part of the reason I am considering joining Silverdale... sure lots of rules, etc, but I pay my fee and I don't need to mess with or worry about finding the land (over 2 hours from my house), thinking about the county bylaws (no Sunday shooting, etc), setting up targets, and most importantly, not having to deal with MNR officers with something stuck up their arse.
I do also plan to try the farmer route... I grew up in Stratford and have a bunch of farmer buddies -- one that owns over 1000 acres now. The problem is I haven't seen most of them in 10+ years and I feel like a dick contacting them essentially to hunt/shoot on their land... anyway, I'll figure out some way to ease into asking them and that might include a case of beer or a bottle of whiskey.
Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
Did the range on Sunday... tested out my Sako Bavarian Carbine safe queen for the first time. Got her more less sighted in after 23 rounds. 30-06 and a light rifle and a sore shoulder! Sent another 25 rounds of 32 S&W Long down range using the same rifle and a chamber insert. Lots of fun for my son.
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Did the range on Sunday... tested out my Sako Bavarian Carbine safe queen for the first time. Got her more less sighted in after 23 rounds. 30-06 and a light rifle and a sore shoulder! Sent another 25 rounds of 32 S&W Long down range using the same rifle and a chamber insert. Lots of fun for my son.
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GateKeeper
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I belong to this club
http://www.dnpaha.org/dnphahome.html
they are not 2 hours away, and have lots to offer, except a range past 100 yards.....
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I belong to this club
http://www.dnpaha.org/dnphahome.html
they are not 2 hours away, and have lots to offer, except a range past 100 yards.....
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Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
Looking at both. Will likely go with the SKS (in an Archangel stock) for now along with a Savage Rascal for my son. Which Hatsan did you get?
Looking at both. Will likely go with the SKS (in an Archangel stock) for now along with a Savage Rascal for my son. Which Hatsan did you get?
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Nice; I have "a few" and love each of them! As for the Hatsan... I'd be interested in hearing a "range report".
It appears from the photo that the SKS has an arsenal refurbished parkerized finish. If so, that makes it particularly desireable.
Escort MP pump
Nice; I have "a few" and love each of them! As for the Hatsan... I'd be interested in hearing a "range report".
It appears from the photo that the SKS has an arsenal refurbished parkerized finish. If so, that makes it particularly desireable.
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I am going to contact you directly the next time I need to locate some crown land! Very impressed with your contribution to this thread. Thank you.
I am going to contact you directly the next time I need to locate some crown land! Very impressed with your contribution to this thread. Thank you.
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I am both reg force and reservist alumni, and yes, either qualify you for the reduced membership fee. Just remember, there's a reason why they value current and former members of the military -- discipline and respectability!
I am both reg force and reservist alumni, and yes, either qualify you for the reduced membership fee. Just remember, there's a reason why they value current and former members of the military -- discipline and respectability!
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You sure? Looks more like BBQ paint to my untrained eye haha. It's a 51 Tula.
Nice; I have "a few" and love each of them! As for the Hatsan... I'd be interested in hearing a "range report".
It appears from the photo that the SKS has an arsenal refurbished parkerized finish. If so, that makes it particularly desireable.
You sure? Looks more like BBQ paint to my untrained eye haha. It's a 51 Tula.
Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
It probaby is then. Nothing wrong with that. Very durable stuff.
It probaby is then. Nothing wrong with that. Very durable stuff.
Re: We know you ride, but do you Shoot?
As would I.
And nice SKS collection!
And I use the same sling for my SR, great piece of gear.
As would I.
And nice SKS collection!
And I use the same sling for my SR, great piece of gear.
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