New Ontario Alcohol Level Law 0.05

[canteloupe]

Does anybody know anything about the new alcohol law in Ontario? i heard it's 0.05 now instead of 0.08. If you guys know anything about the new punishments for being over the limit please let me know. thanks

[Splash]

it's not new... The Canadian criminal code says 0.08 but in Ontario the warning level was always 0.05. It used to be that if you blew a warning they would take your license and you would get them back 24 hours later. Now if you blow a warning they steal your car and license for 3 days. As for fines.. I have no idea.

[Slasher77]

Splash you are right ....the new penalities for a warn reading are an automatic 3 day suspension.....for the first offence. They penalites go up higher each time you are caught after that...not sure of the penalities but they do increase with each time you are caught

[DeAd-EyE]

Splash you are right ....the new penalities for a warn reading are an automatic 3 day suspension.....for the first offence. They penalites go up higher each time you are caught after that...not sure of the penalities but they do increase with each time you are caught

Is there an insurance premium increase associated with the .05-.07 warn?

[adamcbrrr]

Is there an insurance premium increase associated with the .05-.07 warn?

Well its a suspension that goes on your driving record, so no doubt the insurance co will hold it against you, its one of the questions they ask you when your getting a quote, have you had any suspensions in the last 3 years.

[pfbmgd]

Is there an insurance premium increase associated with the .05-.07 warn?

This is apparently not counted as a suspension .It is more of a administrative suspension .It`s not supposed to show up on any abstract.

[Smokeandapancake]

Is not suppose to show up I believe.

There is no fine.

Old was 12 hours. Now starts at 3 days, then 7, then 30 I think.

BAC levels are still the same.

[82Seca750]

Is not suppose to show up I believe.
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maybe not on the first time....but it sure will when they start sending you to alcohol classes and then throw an interlock on your steering wheel......ya know, for not breaking the law consecutive times

MADD really got their way on this one....you consume a legal product within legal limitations, but get zinged multiple times and then you're told you have a problem and need to learn about your problem.....and you're apparently also a danger so you get to install the same contraption on your car as the guy who got ripped, crashed his car and blew a 0.24

this new legislation is the nanny-state personified

[zeekat]

The suspension will now show up on your abstract based on transcripts from committee meetings over Bill 126. Depends on if 'administrative' suspensions are distinguished separately. The next step for it to affect your premiums would be for the insurance companies to be able to get approval from the government to surcharge you over 'administrative' suspensions ... the insurance guys (like VifferFun) on this forum can better answer that one.

[DeAd-EyE]

Found this regarding the issue, should settle the matter:

http://find-a-driving-school.ca/onta...ect-insurance/

- It will go on ur drivers abstract as an ADMINISTRATIVE SUSPENSION.
- It WILL NOT count against your insurance.
- It might be embarrassing to explain to family and friends but bottom line is it shouldn't hurt your pocket book beyond the tow.

[turbodish]

Found this regarding the issue, should settle the matter:

http://find-a-driving-school.ca/onta...ect-insurance/

- It will go on ur drivers abstract as an ADMINISTRATIVE SUSPENSION.
- It WILL NOT count against your insurance.
- It might be embarrassing to explain to family and friends but bottom line is it shouldn't hurt your pocket book beyond the tow.

There is no mandatory tow or impound requirement with a .05 blow.

MTO says

You will not be able to drive home.
If you are with a sober passenger who is licensed and fit to drive, he or she may drive the vehicle. If it is a safe location, you can choose to leave the vehicle at the roadside, or the police will have the vehicle towed at the vehicle owner’s expense.

[mxs]

Use search, it's been discussed to death here several times ...

[GSPLover]

- It will go on ur drivers abstract as an ADMINISTRATIVE SUSPENSION.
- It WILL NOT count against your insurance.
- It might be embarrassing to explain to family and friends but bottom line is it shouldn't hurt your pocket book beyond the tow.

WRONG....an insurance company CAN increase your rates because of this. The gov't cannot stop them from doing so. An admin suspension isn't supposed to be treated the same as a regular suspension for drinking (or anything).

[turbodish]

WRONG....an insurance company CAN increase your rates because of this. The gov't cannot stop them from doing so. An admin suspension isn't supposed to be treated the same as a regular suspension for drinking (or anything).

No, you're WRONG.

Only a lapse of insurance coverage for more than one year or an HTA/CCC driving charge resulting in conviction can cause an increase in rates.

The Ontario government has regulations in place to prevent insurance companies from increasing insurance rates for administrative suspensions that are less than one year in length. The 3-day/7-day/30-day/90-day administrative suspensions in absence of conviction will not cause your rates to increase.

[Rob MacLennan]

WRONG....an insurance company CAN increase your rates because of this. The gov't cannot stop them from doing so. An admin suspension isn't supposed to be treated the same as a regular suspension for drinking (or anything).

You may want to check that against the rules that the FSCO administers. Insurers aren't supposed to be able to increase your rates for things like administrative suspensions, which can be due to such things as failure to pay a ticket. The big question becomes, "Will you be able to switch insurance companies when you have to answer 'yes', when asked if you've ever received a suspension?"

And there are always the cases in which insurers break the rules. For example they aren't supposed to use the tactic of 'tied selling', but they do.

[GSPLover]

No, you're WRONG.

Only a lapse of insurance coverage for more than one year or an HTA/CCC driving charge resulting in conviction can cause an increase in rates.

The Ontario government has regulations in place to prevent insurance companies from increasing insurance rates for administrative suspensions that are less than one year in length. The 3-day/7-day/30-day/90-day administrative suspensions in absence of conviction will not cause your rates to increase.

A suspension for .05 IS a conviction. You arent impaired (they are 'warning you') but you are losing your licence for 3 days. You can't fight it. Just like the 50 over law.
If you arent convicted then why are you losing your licence and having it suspended?

[GSPLover]

you may want to check that against the rules that the fsco administers. Insurers aren't supposed to be able to increase your rates for things like administrative suspensions, which can be due to such things as failure to pay a ticket. The big question becomes, "will you be able to switch insurance companies when you have to answer 'yes', when asked if you've ever received a suspension?"

and there are always the cases in which insurers break the rules. For example they aren't supposed to use the tactic of 'tied selling', but they do.

exactly!!!!

[turbodish]

A suspension for .05 IS a conviction. You arent impaired (they are 'warning you') but you are losing your licence for 3 days. You can't fight it. Just like the 50 over law.
If you arent convicted then why are you losing your licence and having it suspended?

A suspension for .05 does not carry charges with it so there can be no conviction. It's an administrative suspension only, less than one year in length, and so cannot be considered by the insurance company when setting your rates or determining if they will accept your business.

[Rob MacLennan]

A suspension for .05 does not carry charges with it so there can be no conviction. It's an administrative suspension only, less than one year in length, and so cannot be considered by the insurance company when setting your rates or determining if they will accept your business.

As with many things there is a massive void between theory and practise.

[Gixxer6]

Wouldn't it be easier/cheaper to take a cab? or not drink? or use one of the DD services?