Reply With QuoteWhat a joke this guy is (Fantino) He is like one of those stubborn turds that don't wanna get flushed....but eventually they go down !!!! Eh his time is almost up anyways!
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What a joke this guy is (Fantino) He is like one of those stubborn turds that don't wanna get flushed....but eventually they go down !!!! Eh his time is almost up anyways!
But he'll still leave us in the crapper with 172.
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Originally Posted by itr_1211
WOW, these allegations are hysterical nonsense, just ask Julian
It's great though to see him exercising his legal right's, we all should be so fortunate!
Don't be surprised if he walks away from this unscathed, he's in the "Dalton Gang"
Last edited by Bantario; 03-11-2009 at 12:56 AM.
Why is it that every time I hear something about / from this guy I hate him more and more.....
Oh ya....
He's an IDIOT !!!!!
(and alot of other things)
Thinkin about it takes all the fun out of it !
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As I recall, Fantino actually requested Montgomery in the first place. He's well respected. He caught Fantino 'modifying' his testimony. Burn baby, burn.
Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
He did request Montgomery after the first adjudicator was found to be biased!
Appeal number three is on the horizon, poor poor Julian, everyone is out to get him!
Don't fret Fantino fans, he's still out there with his personal driver, busting "Damn Street Racers", read this fairy tale! from lap dog Lamberti!
Last edited by Bantario; 03-18-2009 at 09:51 AM.
Oh my ..... that's a typical piece of his. I am just wondering how does he prove tailgating in court?
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A delay in this enquiry is denying justice to the accused. Fantino needs to take his lumps for this, as has now been stated TWICE, and shut the hell up.He did request Montgomery after the first adjudicator was found to be biased!
Appeal number three is on the horizon, poor poor Julian, everyone is out to get him!
Don't fret Fantino fans, he's still out there with his personal driver, busting "Damn Street Racers", read this fairy tale! from lap dog Lamberti!
Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
I found this older letter written about the stats & lies used in creating Bill203 then into HTA 172.
Last year, 320 people lost their lives on OPP patrolled roads, if you break down the statistics:
Last year
320 X .3 = 96 lives lost due to drunk driving, no vehicle seizure
320 X .12 = 38 lives lost due to distracted driver, no vehicle seizure
320 X .012 = 4 lives lost due to "street racing", vehicle seizure
Prior year
451 X .3 = 135 lives lost due to drunk driving, no vehicle seizure
451 X .12 = 40 lives lost due to detracted driver, no vehicle seizure
451 X .012 = 5 lives lost due to "street racing", vehicle seizure
By the math,
With over 10,000 vehicles and licenses seized, 1, life was saved.
Yet, 100 people were killed by drunk drivers, and 38 by distracted drivers, no public outrage to seize the cars there.
Interesting that the stats have improved the exact same level in the U.S. with high fuel prices & a recession. So, is slowing drivers due to high fuel & less vehicles on the road really the correct answer. And over 10,000 people have had their vehicles and licenses seized because it looks good politically, but has had no real measurable effect on saving lives?
Have a read of this older article :
Street Racing Nonexistent Problem, Stats Show
By Vander Doelen 07-04-2007 COMMENTS(0) Vanderblogger
Filed under: politics, street racing, speeding, Highway 401(Embedded
image moved to file: pic19289.jpg)
I received the letter below recently from driving enthusiast Ron
Durocher of Harrow. His comments and research are even more timely this
morning, given what Progressive Conservative leader John Tory is
proposing to do about speeding.
Last week, Ron was pretty annoyed by the political grandstanding of the
provincial Liberal government over the alleged crisis in "street
racing."
"It just seems like our rights and freedoms as drivers are being
whittled away because of political agendas and misinformation," Durocher
wrote in an e-mail.
In response to a couple of deadly Toronto incidents that seemed more
linked to that city's growing ethnic gang culture than to racing, the
Liberals have been threatening to impose a Draconian crackdown on street
racing across the province.
Durocher says the statistics don't back up the government's claim there
is a "crisis" on our roads. According to his research, police chases
actually cause more deaths in North America than outlaw racers do.
I'm sure Ron is even more disappointed today to learn that the
provincial Conservatives have not only jumped on Premier McGuinty's
streetracing "crisis" bandwagon but are advocating even more severe
action.
Under the Conservatives' proposed law -- which you can be sure will part
of their election campaign this fall -- any vehicle caught travelling
more than 50 km over the speed limit would be confiscated on the spot
for a week.
You have to wonder if that law would apply to certain well-known local
speed demons in the legal profession, local industry, and some close
family members of police officers who brag about their immunity from
tickets. There certainly could be a lot of cars in our local impound
lot. And that's not even counting the flood of American speeders on
Highway 401 who know they are immune to our current laws . . .
Anyway, here's Ron's letter, which he titled The Myths About Street
Racing:
"Recently, there has been much in print and much grandstanding by
politicians, Attorney Generals and Police Commisioners about how street
racing is an "epidemic."
"Sadly, Joe Public eats it all up since he/she really has no clue and no
way or verifying if what the talking heads are saying is true. How do I
know this? Well that's because Canada doesn't compile and keep
statistics on the causes of accidents, which would include those by
street racing.
"As an auto enthusiast and an engineer for an automotive manufacturing
company, I take a keen interest in all things automotive. So I decided
to do much research on the topic so that I could make my own decisions.
With little info available here, I had to turn to the US. By all
accounts, street racing is a much more serious problem in the US than it
is here. Well after coming up emtpy for statistics from Transport
Canada, I found a wealth of information from the National Highway Safety
Administration FARS (Fatality Analysis Accident Reporting System)
statistics. Street racing has been included in the FARS database since
1998.
"The statistics, to say the least, were eye opening. Far from being a
scourge of the highways, street racing accounts for very few traffic
deaths. From 1998-2005, there were 304,236 fatalities on U.S. roads.
Of these, a mere 353 (0.12 per cent) were from street racing. For
comparitive purposes, I also looked at other common causes. Talking on
a cellphone, another dangerous driving habit much hyped by police and
the media was only slightly less dangerous at 327 deaths (0.11 per
cent).
"Bear in mind, millions of Canadians talk on cell phones daily; an act
statistically as dangerous as street racing.
"Driving slower than the posted speed limit (429 deaths, 0.14 per cent)
accounted for more deaths. Surprisingly, being distracted by something
inside the vehicle, such as talking to a passenger, adjusting a mirror,
fiddling with a radio or eating caused an eye-opening 38,914 deaths
(12.79 per cent).
"Again, this is something plenty of people do every day while driving.
Some of the highest trained street drivers in the world, police
officers, caused nearly four times the fatalities (1,357, 0.44 per cent)
of street racers!
"But these all pale in comparison to drunk driving. Nearly 144,000
people were killed by drunk drivers in the U.S., a staggering 44 per
cent of all fatalities. Canada isn't much better. Drunk driving here is
responsible for at least 30 per cent of all fatalities, claiming
sometimes over 1,000 victims per year.
"By contrast I've been only able to find less than a dozen deaths caused
by street racing in Canada for the last two years combined.
"And now there's been talk from the Attorney General about impounding
and crushing cars of street racers. Why such a harsh punishment for
something that is more or less insignificant statistically? Easy. These
street racers are generally young people. And young people have no money
to defend themselves in a court of law. So it's easy for the
agenda-driven police and politicians to "show" that they are cracking
down and being tough on this "epidemic" of street racing.
"Now, let's imagine for a second that the police and politicians changed
the laws so that the cars of drunk drivers, the most dangerous group of
killers on Canadian roads, were crushed. The outcry would be IMMENSE to
say the least. Drunk drivers include people from every walk of life.
Judges, teachers, politicians, police, journalists, engineers you name
it. And more alarming, these people drive drunk multiple times! Even
with suspended licenses.
"The fact is "street racers" are being centered out for political
reasons but mainly because they are easy pickings. What a better group
to target than a group of people perceived as dangerous drivers that
can't defend themselves.
"Don't get me wrong here. Street racing is stupid, irresponsible and
downright dangerous. But is it the threat to humanity we have been
reading about? Certainly not.
"The average person doesn't know the facts and has no idea where to look
for them. They are being lied to and are being fed a plate full of
********. (Last month) the Commisioner of the OPP said that we need a
fleet of airplanes to combat street racing! Are you kidding me? A fleet
of airplanes? And he had the audacity to say that the cost would be
"minimal" and that they would pay for themselves by saving tens of
thousands of lives!!
"A fleet or airplanes that require engine overhauls every 1,500 hours at
a cost of $15,000 each!! And we need these to get a very small number of
nut jobs off the road?And guess who will buy into this and be the ones
paying for this? Yes . . . the same poeple who have no idea that this
isn't really a problem . . .
Ron Durocher
Harrow
Get in sit down buckle up and shut up and hang on !
He doesn't have to... He gets his court pay, as well as screwed you out of a few bucks getting your vhicle out of the pound and getting your license backand then cops wonder, why people can't stand them LOL
Every time I see these propaganda pieces I think of one thing.... Brrrrruuuuuuuuuuugh BARF!!!!!!!! Makes me sick.
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Don't listen to Spider Jones on CFRB then. He's so far up Fantino's butt that he knows when the Commissioner has a cavity before his dentist does.
Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
Thought so, was just checking ...He doesn't have to... He gets his court pay, as well as screwed you out of a few bucks getting your vhicle out of the pound and getting your license back
Is that 1010? If so I don't listen to that station anyway. I just won't understand anyone's logic for agreeing with this publicity hog. I can't even remeber than name of the previous OPP top guy.
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Yes, CFRB 1010. I listen to it on my drives to-and-from work and the MP3 player gets plugged in any time that Spider Jones sits in for John Moore. I had it out with him a couple of times on-air with Jones over his lackey-like support of Fantino's views and had him admit to my logic, only to have him spout the same crap a week later.
Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
Sure guys like that love too see others getting screwed over because they have this delusional mentality that it will never happen to them, but it's great to see that your taking them on and calling them out on there B/S more people need to be doing the same.
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The last time I was caller #3. Callers #1 and #2 had already taken him to task for it. He was starting to get a little punchy by the time I got to him
Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
Sit down Fantino fans......................yet another Police Officer has come foward with Hysterical allegations.
Street Racers, Police Officers and Adjudicators are just out to get this poor guy.
http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/canada/article/204632The complaint, which has not been proven, alleges Fantino "engaged in unlawful acts of reprisals against defence witnesses," according to the factum.
This guy has a thick sick. It might take more than one lawsuit to take him down ....
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