Originally Posted by
Snobike Mike
Sorry it's me again, a little bit of a squeaky wheel.
While I will continue to applaud you on your efforts, I have to question primarily the scenarios you pose with regards to how penalties should be awarded. I agree with everything you've written up until the "solution" part. I think the key here is to tighten up the law to target what the true english definition of street racing is all about.
and I'll keep harping that this law is going nowhere anytime soon....there is NO WAY the long list of Politicians are gonna back-pedal on what they sold the public.....so the priority is to get rid of the rights violation.....if a copper wants to mistakingly charge you under this "revised" legislation, you will now have your day in court, unlike the current law
Some comments:
1. Under the "old" perfectly good law, the penalties awarded would fit such a "crime". This poorly written law as it stands now is just a wasted law. I know you want to give them something for modifying the law to remove the charter infringement, but we have to be careful since we know any re-writes will be poorly written just like 172 already is. Having said that, Of all of your scenarios, this one is a least "close" to what this law should be targeting.
this law doesn't target kids driving their parent's cars like maniacs? and it hasn't seized countless #s of cars that the drivers didn't own? sorry, two of the headliners since Sept 07 were driving daddy's car....the scenario is very relevant
2. I simply don't agree with penalties based on how much somebody is worth, or how much they earn. First off, it's hard to assess that. Also, why should somebody who works harder and therefore makes more dough (any pays more taxes) be punished more for doing the SAME crime. Unfortunatley life ain't fair and those that have more money can pay for higher priced lawyers, etc. Such is life. If you try applying this logic to other types of crimes, those with low incomes should be punished less for any crime such as drug related crimes or whatever because statistically it is often low income people who get involved in drugs.
if you sentence a rich guy and a poor guy to 40 hours of community service each....who got penalized based on what they're worth? nobody that's who....they have to give up their time as a penalty, kind of like that thing called Jail
Furthermore, All things being equal, you end up penalizing those that are older more since in general they should be worth more than young people.
?????.....no money changes hands with community service....not sure how you're reading this
Assuming the reason this law was posed original was logical, to get people conducting a contest of speed in public streets, we need to refocus our government back to that issue, not the dragnet it is now for everybody who drives 20 kph over the moving average of around 130 on our safest highways. Street racing would "generally" be conducted by younger people, and yet you want to penalize a 50 year old for going 50 over more than a 20 year old for actually street racing??
"optional penalties"........OPTIONAL!!!!!!......dude, there's a 70% non-conviction rate.....don't do anything that'll get you into the 30% conviction rate and you won't be sweeping up anything
Many of the arguments made against this law on this forum include all kinds of contrarian statistics about how street racing is really such a small portion of any deaths, etc etc. So now going 50 over means somebody has to sweep the floors of a hospital ward for those that didn't wear their seatbelts, drunk driving, etc? Seems to me using that logic we'd be better off fighting for a law that awarded penalties for no seatbelt to clean up seatbelt related deaths or drunks for DUI related accidents. There simply aren't enough high speed related deaths (without mitigating circumstances such as impaired) to warrant people cleaning up after accidents (and remember, if you believe Wooley, speed related deaths are down 40%)
fine.....I'll tell my MPP to scrap my idea....and we can all still get our property yanked roadside and our licenses suspended, you can pick up your car in a week to the tune of $1500, and I hope you like your $1000 annual insurance premium increase???
3. So as long as I can fake remorse, I can get out of jail free? This seems a little illogical. The scenario described is exactly why this law is so stupid. You can have a brain fart and get your car impounded by sneaky police. The penalty should fit the crime. It simply isn't moms in minivans having brain farts in transition zones causing carnage. If it was, there would be no need to change this law as there would be all kinds of Caravans piled up in transition zones around Ontario. Doing 40 hours of community service because I can't "act" remorseful on command in front of a JP because of a brain fart seems a little silly. Why not charge them under the old law?
the scenario of the driver having a brainfart into a transition zone had to be mentioned....it likely represents a large # of the 70% of non-convictions.......if you would like to debate acting capabilities, call you MPP, I'm sure they have it down to an art
4. Why not have stiff fines just like the old rich guy? Seems to me if you can CURE the problem in the youth of today, they'd never do it when their old and rich!
WTF are you harping on old/rich/young/poor...community service penalties LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD....just like upfront vehicle seizure.....but one doesn't violate your rights
In your final paragraph, let's make sure the penalty for street racing and NOT causing bodily harm is not MORE than drug or violence related offences. Going 200 on the highway with no traffic and subsequently slowing down is different than going 150 and having an accident.
hmmm.....go ask good old "Cut King" Nusrat what he got for getting that truck driver killed
Many have complained about increased street presence on the roads with all kinds of real criminal code crimes going unchecked. It has already become a world where conducting your life in a "normal" fashion holds more penalties for infractions than criminals involved in drugs, violence, etc.
OK.....go into your MPPs office with the above rant....tell me how far you get
Anyways, keep it up. Just be sure your solutions don't leave opportunity for us all to get more screwed than we already are. It might be worthwhile to use the known misapplication scenarios as reasons to change, such as garbage trucks getting impounded, and on-duty police cars, etc.
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