... so it begins anew....

[leedufour]

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Notice the gloves and jackets!
...I want my ability to chose to ride helmetless!

[z31tt]

He couldn't just let the issue die could he. He had to appeal. Anyway this ruling comes out, it is bad for the motorcycling community. There will be many fraudulent statistics thrown about by people who have no place to be involved in a motorcycle helmet discussion. There is no proof helmets save lives?

I think this creates a time for someone in the motorcycle community to stand up and educate the public. If we leave the Sikhs to their own devices, our hobby will be an even bigger mess in the eyes of the public.

[Rob MacLennan]

Notice the gloves and jackets!
...I want my ability to chose to ride helmetless!

While I'm not a supporter of blanket helmet laws, I suggest that you take a ride down to New Hampshire and give it a try. The first junebug or flung piece of gravel will quickly change your mind about riding without that protection.

[leedufour]

While I'm not a supporter of blanket helmet laws, I suggest that you take a ride down to New Hampshire and give it a try. The first junebug or flung piece of gravel will quickly change your mind about riding without that protection.

For me it's not about riding helmetless all day, it's the short runs I do day to day.
Low speed stuff downtown. Or to the store for burbanites!
I figure 1% of the time I'd like to not have my lid. The hot crappy traffic days! Or stuck on the highway in the heat! Pull the helmet off and do the stop and go!
I still believe there is a medical argument to be made at certain temps to not where one!
Having had crappy helmets when I first started riding I know the comfort of a good one and most of my riding would be with it.
I wanna wear what I wanna wear when I wanna wear it!(mantra)

[inreb]

He couldn't just let the issue die could he. He had to appeal. Anyway this ruling comes out, it is bad for the motorcycling community. There will be many fraudulent statistics thrown about by people who have no place to be involved in a motorcycle helmet discussion. There is no proof helmets save lives?

I think this creates a time for someone in the motorcycle community to stand up and educate the public. If we leave the Sikhs to their own devices, our hobby will be an even bigger mess in the eyes of the public.

We HAVE educated the public. For every quiet responsible rider, there is at least one or more loud hammerhead. Between youthfull exuberance and old men that should know better, we've given the general public quite the show over the years. I know when I'm blasting thru cottage country I'm not making a whole lotta new friends. The only people that might approve are the wannabe sidewalk commandos. Hardly people in a position of power. I just dont see those turbaned Sikhs doing any worse. Lets keep it real.

[Rob MacLennan]

For me it's not about riding helmetless all day, it's the short runs I do day to day.
Low speed stuff downtown. Or to the store for burbanites!
I figure 1% of the time I'd like to not have my lid. The hot crappy traffic days! Or stuck on the highway in the heat! Pull the helmet off and do the stop and go!
I still believe there is a medical argument to be made at certain temps to not where one!
Having had crappy helmets when I first started riding I know the comfort of a good one and most of my riding would be with it.
I wanna wear what I wanna wear when I wanna wear it!(mantra)

I've been hit by two separate cars, less than 3 Kms from my house.

A helmet is filled with EPS foam; the same stuff as you find in coolers. It has wicking cloth to help absorb perspiration. The helmet is the least important thing to remove in hot weather.

[leedufour]

I've been hit by two separate cars, less than 3 Kms from my house.

A helmet is filled with EPS foam; the same stuff as you find in coolers. It has wicking cloth to help absorb perspiration. The helmet is the least important thing to remove in hot weather.

Sorry to hear about that!
I thought sweat helped to cool the body so removing it was counter productive.
Anyway, it's my hope and dream to just jump on the bike for an errand without all the gear that I normally ride with. Textile pants and jacket, suede/leather boots and gloves and of course my helmet!

[donut]

Sorry to hear about that!
I thought sweat helped to cool the body so removing it was counter productive.
Anyway, it's my hope and dream to just jump on the bike for an errand without all the gear that I normally ride with. Textile pants and jacket, suede/leather boots and gloves and of course my helmet!

well, yes and no.

its not the act of sweating that really cools the body, its the the evaporation of that sweat that cools the body. when its more humid outside, the sweat evaportes more slowly, thats why humidity makes if feel warmer.

[eastcoast_gsx]

Maybe somebody should send him this link... another tragedy from somebody that opposed helmet laws...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Larry#Death

[Gnu]

On one hand you have religion, on the other hand you have safety. You're saying safety trumps religion. I think there is a strong arguement to be made that religion trumps safety. I'm not making that arguement. I'm just open to the idea that religion is very powerfull, trumping safety. I'm also open to the idea that safety is not a primary concern. If it were, motorcycles might one day be banned. I've said it many times, already. Slippery slope. Badesha getting his way could possibly help our cause in the future.

Well, considering religion is based on BS and safety is based on facts, that is a bad argument.

[suprPHREAK]

Well, considering religion is based on BS and safety is based on facts, that is a bad argument.

If you are going to argue that religion is irrelevant, you better find something more intelligent than "religion is BS". More people on this planet believe in some form of religion than don't, so for now, your view is the minority.

I guess, being the minority though, you must be in the right. Isn't that what this guy is arguing, anyway?

[Totalpkg]

Its quite simple really. You want to live in Canada and the province of Ontario. Live by the rules set. If not...LEAVE!

[GixxerN8]

This is frustrating, I am all about equality and respecting religion, but if he wants to ride without a helmet, sign a legal document and adjust his insurance policy to reflect this so we aren't spending healthcare on his vegetable of a body when his head has a religious argument with Canadian asphalt.

[Anscoop]

This is frustrating, I am all about equality and respecting religion, but if he wants to ride without a helmet, sign a legal document and adjust his insurance policy to reflect this so we aren't spending healthcare on his vegetable of a body when his head has a religious argument with Canadian asphalt.

This argument is SOO Flawed and the only thing that he should be challenging.
They government is saying that helmets are mandatory because of the collective tax burden of the medical costs for people not wearing a helmet who get into an accident.
If you are not wearing a helmet the likelyhood of death is MUCH HIGHER, THEREFORE THE HEALTH-CARE COSTS are lower.
The government doesn't have the right to make any other argument, they are not AND SHOULD NOT be in the business of protecting people from personal injury, otherwise driving/riding/anything that involves the possibility should be outlawed as they are liable for it.

[AdRath]

If you are not wearing a helmet the likelyhood of death is MUCH HIGHER, THEREFORE THE HEALTH-CARE COSTS are lower.
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No necessarily. The chances of a brain injury are much much higher not death. Death could result but so could requiring permanent care and rehabilitation along with other things that are really costly. The likly hood of death at 100 +km/h yes but many if not most accidents happen at much lower speed where severe life long brain injuries are more likely.

[Rob MacLennan]

If you are going to argue that religion is irrelevant, you better find something more intelligent than "religion is BS". More people on this planet believe in some form of religion than don't, so for now, your view is the minority.

I guess, being the minority though, you must be in the right. Isn't that what this guy is arguing, anyway?

I just love it when someone posts comments indicating that he thinks 80%+ of the world's population are idiots, don't you?

Its quite simple really. You want to live in Canada and the province of Ontario. Live by the rules set. If not...LEAVE!

Part of his argument is that there are at least 2 jurisdictions within Ontario that have recognized his "religious right" to ride without a helmet, so your position is a non-starter.

This is frustrating, I am all about equality and respecting religion, but if he wants to ride without a helmet, sign a legal document and adjust his insurance policy to reflect this so we aren't spending healthcare on his vegetable of a body when his head has a religious argument with Canadian asphalt.

So several different systems should change in order to accommodate his ability to ride without a helmet? This is one of the reasons why I say that it's either a paramount safety issue, applicable to all, or it isn't.

[eastcoast_gsx]

I just love it when someone posts comments indicating that he thinks 80%+ of the world's population are idiots, don't you?

Maybe he is on to something

[Gnu]

If you are going to argue that religion is irrelevant, you better find something more intelligent than "religion is BS". More people on this planet believe in some form of religion than don't, so for now, your view is the minority.

I guess, being the minority though, you must be in the right. Isn't that what this guy is arguing, anyway?

I didn't post that religion is irrelevant or that "religion is BS", you should work on your reading comprehension skills. He's basing his argument on "We don't believe a helmet is safe. Every day riders with helmets die in accidents. If I'm supposed to die today, I will die and nothing can save me." Yes, if its the will of God, then nothing will save me. If you believe that's a valid argument... well that says a lot about you.

[Totalpkg]

Part of his argument is that there are at least 2 jurisdictions within Ontario that have recognized his "religious right" to ride without a helmet, so your position is a non-starter.

Then move to those jurisdictions...

[Rob MacLennan]

Then move to those jurisdictions...

We're in the same country. It's called "precedent."