What kind of Laser/Radar does the OPP use?

[orangeF4]

anyone have any credible info?

[GSPLover]

anyone have any credible info?

Exactly what info are you after?
Yes they use laser (lidar) and radar...
Bands for radar are k and ka. Im sure in the near future they will start to use POP radar guns. X is all but gone. I have heard talk of them possibly using ku in the future (currently widely used in Europe).
Radar can be used in a stationary vehicle, a moving vehicle (front and rearward facing radar guns), hand held standing at a bus shelter for example, a vehicle traveling in the same direction as you (in front of you or from behind you), or in the opposite direction. They also like to use instant on radar.
And dont forget Fatinos speed measuring aircraft.
They also use the Spectre III RDD.

[daught]

Just out of curiosity, can they convict you only using POP? I was reading on one of the radar detector manufacturer site that cops should not convict you based only on the first POP burst.

orangeF4 you want the Bell STi Driver

[masalma]

Well i got caught with the Spectra II, i have the operation manual if u want it

and here is a post from another forum it is more than a year old but still good i think.

Enjoy


From http://www.e46toronto.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=67465

I talked to my old roommate last night, he is an OPP at the Mississauga detachment off of Hurontario and QEW. He had the new Bel Sti driver radar detector in his unmarked OPP cruiser next to the Spectre II and voila, no detection whatsover. This new radar detector outsmart the Spectre II hands down. He was surprised at the results.

I will be getting this by Friday via Fedex. You will see pics of it and the test results as I cruise down the 401 to Windsor. Keep in mind that Beltronics cannot send it to your Ontario address, you need either a Calgary address or an address in the U.S.A.

Here is another tip guys. Go on Ebay, bid for a cheapass crappy radar detector. If for whatever reason you get pulled over because he physically saw it on your dash as he passed by your car, hand in over the crappy one and pocket the Bel Sti driver in your pockets or wherever. Or have a big envelope in your car and shove it in the envelope and seal it quick. They do not have the right to open your package without a court order from the judge. A little OPP bird just happen to mention this to me.

Stay tune,

Vince

[orangeF4]

I have seen videos of some jammers on youtube that prevent the cops from getting a reading from your vehicle but that would only make the cop more suspicious hence lead to an unwanted pull over.

what are the fines for having a radar detector or jammer?

i kno that they would rip it out of ur vehicle on the spot but whats the ticket like?

masalma, wats ur story, how did they book u?

[spankayf]

I've found most of the OPP cruisers use K band but there are Ka bands and even some old X band units are reportedly in use in Northern Ontario. There was also some reports of x band mounted on bikes but I dont know how accurate that is.

Pop's a non issue... its not accurate and its only on some mfg's guns and its only stationary

Laser the OPP has a different guns, Laser Atlanta, Stalker and LTI

As I have posted before there is only one RD that is undetectable by Spectre. Cheap radar detectors are no deal. They have poor sensitivity and leak like crazy so they actually false good rds... frankly I'm glad that Spectre is used in Ont to keep the number of falses down

Bel Sti $450

Jammers and RDs are covered under the same piece legislation the usual fine is about $180 and 3 points it runs up to 1,000 for repeats

Rds arent a license speed but a useful tool

[spankayf]

I have seen videos of some jammers on youtube that prevent the cops from getting a reading from your vehicle but that would only make the cop more suspicious hence lead to an unwanted pull over.

Get alert, slow down to psl , kill jammer ... the videos only show the effectivenss of the jammer nobody in their right mind would JTG in Ontario

[daught]

spankayf. You posted a story about that US guy that got caught doing over 50km/h. He said he was hit with POP from a moving vehicle. So was it POP or his RD just detected the signal too late? If it was POP how could he have been charged since POP is so inaccurate and even manufacturers warn against it.

[spankayf]

You're confusing "Pop" with "Instant On".

Instant on is well ... instant on.

Pop is a short (hundreds of sec) burst of radar so quick that most rds cant pick it up. Its really a non issue since its not supposed to be used in court

Yup instant on can catch you if you dont have traffic out ahead of you that Leo triggers the gun to check their speed.

RD is a tool but it needs to be combined with some road sense

[masalma]

I have seen videos of some jammers on youtube that prevent the cops from getting a reading from your vehicle but that would only make the cop more suspicious hence lead to an unwanted pull over.

what are the fines for having a radar detector or jammer?

i kno that they would rip it out of ur vehicle on the spot but whats the ticket like?

masalma, wats ur story, how did they book u?

Going down highway 6 (old Hanlon) at about 2am, i am the only car on the whole stretch, had the radar detector off (just forgot about it) and got clocked doing 128km/h in an 80 zone which was 48 km/h over the limit

he was hiding in the ditch between the two sides of the road, i didn't see him until he was behind me, tried to fight it in court on the ground that the laser caught me before he had a visual, or he wasn't qualified to operate it, or if it wasn't calibrated, and after 45 minutes of trial the judge didn't buy any of my motions, and was fined about $450 including court surcharges, and my insurance went up 1000/year. the insurance decided to pull up my abstract for no reason.

sux to be me

Nas

[northyorkguy]

yeah... i'm looking for a radar detector myself... and have done alot of research... pretty much the only choice of RD to use in Ontario since there illegal here is the Bel Sti which is un-detectable... have read alot of reviews on them... they have other models of the Sti... such as the "Bel STi XR, and Bel STI-R".... but are more expensive... but i hear the XR isn't that much better than the regualr STi.. STI-R is over a $1000.00

one of the better ones out there is the Valetine One.. which out performs the STi range wise but is detectable by RDD's... so not worth buying and getting caught here in Ont.

the thing is i don't know if i should wait to see what RD they will have in the near future b/c i've read about GPS radar detectors and stuff like that...

well i plan on doing a road trip to the states to pick up a RD... preferably the STi maybe... but caught seem to find any @ like the US best-buy, wal-mart other then the main companies...

anyone know where to get one if i were to drive over to the states... but don't wanna drive crazy far.... since planning on going to the Detroit auto show... but don't know if they sell RD's in detroit...

what RD's have u guys experienced using.....

[spankayf]

I wouldnt hold my breath for a stealth gps rd unit. It takes years for these units to be built and the Escort 9500i while being pretty neat has its problems.

Theres been rumours of a stealth V1 for years

The Stealth Sti "R" wont work any better than a regular unit but it could be much easier to conceal on a bike than the regular unit but its too damn expensive in my book.

If I had a 1g in my budget I'd counsel a Bel Sti and a jammer

[Fingolfin]

in that article that was quoted, it said if you shove the radar detector in an envolop they can't legally open it,

is this true? what if they know you have a radar in ur car?

[gybeman]

In ontario it doesn't matter. The same companies that make the police radar also make the consumer radar. The one you buy is always one generation behind the latest stuff they are selling to the officials, so the only place you can comfortably use one is where they are legal. Sure all the police don't have the same stuff, but are you willing to gamble ?
What if they know you have a radar in ur car? Been there. The option was to hand over the detector or come back to the station and have the car ripped apart at your expense.

[Team Lazy]

And as far as "undetectable".... When he flips on the radar, and your tailights come on, you just got burned. When he does it a few times, you're confirmed burned. Ask me how I know...
There are plenty of cops without detector "detectors" just flipping the radar off and on to watch for brake lights or cars dramatically slowing down. Heck, you can get burned driving the limit just because it went off and you tapped the brakes.

[spankayf]

In ontario it doesn't matter. The same companies that make the police radar also make the consumer radar. The one you buy is always one generation behind the latest stuff they are selling to the officials, so the only place you can comfortably use one is where they are legal. Sure all the police don't have the same stuff, but are you willing to gamble ?
What if they know you have a radar in ur car? Been there. The option was to hand over the detector or come back to the station and have the car ripped apart at your expense.

Wanna bet?

All police use the Spectre there is nothing else out there. Here it is ...

http://www.davtech.ca/radar_det.htm

This beats it there is nothing else out there .... very straight forward

http://www.beltronics.com/sti.html

[eastcoast_gsx]

And as far as "undetectable".... When he flips on the radar, and your tailights come on, you just got burned. When he does it a few times, you're confirmed burned. Ask me how I know...
There are plenty of cops without detector "detectors" just flipping the radar off and on to watch for brake lights or cars dramatically slowing down. Heck, you can get burned driving the limit just because it went off and you tapped the brakes.

How do you know?

[spankayf]

And as far as "undetectable".... When he flips on the radar, and your tailights come on, you just got burned. When he does it a few times, you're confirmed burned. Ask me how I know...
There are plenty of cops without detector "detectors" just flipping the radar off and on to watch for brake lights or cars dramatically slowing down. Heck, you can get burned driving the limit just because it went off and you tapped the brakes.

Doh!!!!

[masalma]

And as far as "undetectable".... When he flips on the radar, and your tailights come on, you just got burned. When he does it a few times, you're confirmed burned. Ask me how I know...
There are plenty of cops without detector "detectors" just flipping the radar off and on to watch for brake lights or cars dramatically slowing down. Heck, you can get burned driving the limit just because it went off and you tapped the brakes.

thats funny, i had done that soo many times, even false alarms in some places where i pass every once in a while, and still go for the brakes. But i believe there are some laws to protect you from unlawful searches.

Because i remember was leaving Niagra Falls in a rental, and just before i hit the highway i put it out on the dash and turn the detector on. not even 4 minutes later there is a police cruiser behind me on the lights, so i told my buddy to stash it in the glove compartment, when the light turned green so did the cherries, he pulled me over along with 4-5 other cruisers and one unmarked vehicle.

They asked for license, registration and insurance, i present all except insurance, couldn't find it before they came to the window and wasnt going to open the glove compartment so I ask why i was pulled over, and he said they have an incident that happened with the exact description of the car BS, so they ask me again and again to look for the insurance paper and during the whole time they are around the car with flash lights pointing in.

So i told the officers it was a rental and it has insurance, so they told me that they could give me a find of 70 something dollars, for failing to provide proof, and i said go a head, but i know it is in here somewhere.

during that time they asked me if they could search the vehicle, and all i said was "sorry officer i don't consent to a search", the officers reply was "oh you seem to know the law pretty well"

I know in the states there is laws against unlawful searches, but in Canada i don't know how they work exactly, but i tried it and it worked.

during the whole time i was very polite, and before they came to the windows i had all the interior lights on and my hands were on the steering wheel with the license and registration in them. I think that makes em feel more at ease. especially at night time with no lights around.

End of story they came back gave me my license and no ticket for insurance, and i was followed by the unmarked vehicle for about 40 minutes, of course i had cruise control on doing 90km/h.

well sorry for the long story, but i just got back from work and exhaust.

If anyone has any info on what is considered a lawful search please shed some insight, i know that in the states they have to actually see it before they can go and get it, also if you are asked to leave the vehicle, close your windows step out of the car and lock the door, if u just leave it open that is like an invitation for him to go in.

I think there is a video some where on google i seen a long time ago, will post later when i find it.

Nas

[Blitzficken]

I think I've seen that video before
BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

in that article that was quoted, it said if you shove the radar detector in an envolop they can't legally open it,

is this true? what if they know you have a radar in ur car?

probably has something to do with

Speed measuring warning devices - Exception 79.(6) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person who is transporting speed measuring warning devices in sealed packages in a motor vehicle from a manufacturer to a consignee. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.