LMAO@ Ducati 1199's dyno number

[arsenalrocks]

164.4whp.....claimed 195bhp, haha, yeah righthttp://www.motorcycle-usa.com/12/1453/4/Motorcycle-Blog-Post/Ducati-1199-Panigale-Horsepower-Torque.aspxstill ~20whp down from the King!

[SkyRider]

why lmao? whp is always less than bhp

[arsenalrocks]

This is the funny partucati should stop claiming it has the most powerful engine of all superbikes, cause clearly it does not!They should learn from BMW, always underrate their engines for both car+bikes

why lmao? whp is always less than bhp

[dr_sarcasm]

why lmao? whp is always less than bhp

Uh, that's what I was telling myself...not sure what the OP is going on about...

E.g. My Mustang stock was claimed at 300 "bhp", but in truth churned out around 250rwhp...

Hp takes into account parasitic loss from all the components, whereas "bhp" is the claimed number.

[arsenalrocks]

see post #4, obviously whp < bhp with about 10-15% powertrain loss

[dr_sarcasm]

see post #4, obviously whp < bhp with about 10-15% powertrain loss

So...uh...then what is it you're gloating about in your first post then, given you seem to be rational enough to make the distinction?

[SkyRider]

Hp takes into account parasitic loss from all the components, whereas "bhp" is the claimed number.

i wonder how bmw reduces the parasitic loss in the s1000rr to so little. it has 193 bhp, and whp is like 185. losing 8 hp. while the 1199 loses 30hp

[arsenalrocks]

b/c BMW always underrates their engines (unlike Ducati)the 1st version of the N54 engine makes well over 330bhp at the crank, they choose to only claim 300bhpsame with the new N20 2.0L twin scroll, makes over 220whp, but they choose to only claim 240bhpseriously, Ducati should take a good look at itself and ask "really, does my engine really makes 195hp at the crank?"btw 1199's track time is about 2s off from the s1000rr, according to the latest MCN shootout

i wonder how bmw reduces the parasitic loss in the s1000rr to so little. it has 193 bhp, and whp is like 185. losing 8 hp. while the 1199 loses 30hp

[mmmnaked]

"really, does my engine really makes 195hp at the crank?"

you do realize that the advertised horsepower is based on numbers from an ENGINE dyno right? The 195hp is measured brake horsepower... it's a real number. There isn't a manufacturer in the world which advertises wheel horsepower.

In BMWs case they simply under-report their brake horsepower, or use some different method of measure.

[awyala]

b/c BMW always underrates their engines (unlike Ducati)the 1st version of the N54 engine makes well over 330bhp at the crank, they choose to only claim 300bhpsame with the new N20 2.0L twin scroll, makes over 220whp, but they choose to only claim 240bhpseriously, Ducati should take a good look at itself and ask "really, does my engine really makes 195hp at the crank?"btw 1199's track time is about 2s off from the s1000rr, according to the latest MCN shootout

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...s-at-a-glance/

Care to share the link where MCN posted their shootout review? I know they usually publish on Thursdays, so I am assuming you have a copy of last Thursdays UK issued paper right? Or access to it? As far as the web site is concerned they haven't revealed the results yet.

Shoot outs should be hitting the magazine racks within 3 to 4 weeks, when the magazines can get their hands on a few demo models. At the moment, the reviews from the odd private outing are streaming through as well as the generic Canadian-mag style of regurgitating everything everyone else has said from the Abu Dhabi launch.

All reviews have been positive...oh and take a look at the out-of-the-box spanking the S1000R and the ZX10R got this past Sunday in the Superstock league, the Panigale taking its first win in just its 3rd race, finishing 3rd in the first 2 races (of its existence!!!!)

There is at least 3 years of BMW development and tuning getting spanked by an out-of-the-box Panigale with mediocre riders on it.

[mikbusa]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/12/145...er-Torque.aspx <-- working link.

[arsenalrocks]

thanks bud

[TwistedKestrel]

164.4whp.....claimed 195bhp, haha, yeah righthttp://www.motorcycle-usa.com/12/1453/4/Motorcycle-Blog-Post/Ducati-1199-Panigale-Horsepower-Torque.aspxstill ~20whp down from the King!

Magazines don't consistently use the same dyno setup for testing bikes. I found on that site alone, one dyno figure for the S1000RR at 175rwhp, and another at 183rwhp. If you're comparing bikes, it pretty much has to be from the same article.

[arsenalrocks]

good point, but they did compare the 1199 whp# to the 1198's, on the same dynoand 1199 only gained 14whp over the previous modelI am not sure even the +14whp is enough to beat the zx-10r, which is the wildly considered the 2nd most powerful engine behind BMW.

Magazines don't consistently use the same dyno setup for testing bikes. I found on that site alone, one dyno figure for the S1000RR at 175rwhp, and another at 183rwhp. If you're comparing bikes, it pretty much has to be from the same article.

[mmmnaked]

good point, but they did compare the 1199 whp# to the 1198's, on the same dynoand 1199 only gained 14whp over the previous modelI am not sure even the +14whp is enough to beat the zx-10r, which is the wildly considered the 2nd most powerful engine behind BMW.

"only" 14whp

Did anybody really think a twin was gonna beat the inline 4s for peak horsepower? Noobs.

[arsenalrocks]

Yes Rossi. I see your point. I am actually laughing at the 84.55lb-ft of torque measured at the wheel from this powerful, fearful L-twin.I think the s1000rr's peak torque is close to 80lb-ft....

"only" 14whp Did anybody really think a twin was gonna beat the inline 4s for peak horsepower? Noobs.

[Freestyle72]

Torque is really more a function of displacement... where the torque happens is a little more up to geometry and other factors...