Electric scooter troubles

[coyo]

electric scooter (e-bike) is a bicycle as far as HTA and MTO are concerned.

a single bicycle is NOT entitled to take up the whole lane. the cyclist is required to move over to the right to allow motorized vehicles to pass them in the same lane if it is safe to do so.

pairs (side by side) or packs of bikes are a grey zone that no one has tackled as far as I know. But again, it's my understanding that bicyclists have an obligation to move over to the right to allow traffic to pass (yes, in the same lane).

HTA 148(6)

Bicycles overtaken
(6) Every person on a bicycle or motor assisted bicycle who is overtaken by a vehicle or equestrian travelling at a greater speed shall turn out to the right and allow the vehicle or equestrian to pass and the vehicle or equestrian overtaking shall turn out to the left so far as may be necessary to avoid a collision. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 148 (6).

[BusaBob]

HTA 148(6)

Bicycles overtaken
(6) Every person on a bicycle or motor assisted bicycle who is overtaken by a vehicle or equestrian travelling at a greater speed shall turn out to the right and allow the vehicle or equestrian to pass and the vehicle or equestrian overtaking shall turn out to the left so far as may be necessary to avoid a collision. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 148 (6).

Thanks for looking that up.

I once passed a group of 30 or 40 bicycles (roadies) struggling uphill on a highway (single lane either direction, no centre dividing line). You should have heard the swearing and yelling from the cyclists as I passed (safely). From their hostility, it was clear that they were under the belief that they had the right to take up the entire right hand side of the roadway (although stretched out, there were areas in the group that were riding 4 or 5 abreast).

I don't have anything against cyclists, but they need to move over and allow vehicles to pass.

scooter style e-bikes should be banned.

[Rob MacLennan]

Thanks for looking that up.

I once passed a group of 30 or 40 bicycles (roadies) struggling uphill on a highway (single lane either direction, no centre dividing line). You should have heard the swearing and yelling from the cyclists as I passed (safely). From their hostility, it was clear that they were under the belief that they had the right to take up the entire right hand side of the roadway (although stretched out, there were areas in the group that were riding 4 or 5 abreast).

I don't have anything against cyclists, but they need to move over and allow vehicles to pass.

scooter style e-bikes should be banned.

I have frequently had to deal with groups of cyclists, in both Halton and Caledon, who think that they are running in the Tour de France and refuse to turn out to the right. Cyclists, and especially eBike riders, seem to be woefully uninformed, when it comes to the law.

As to the insurance issue, I would pursue it like I would an incident with a bicycle; try to file a claim with the cyclist's home owner's/renter's policy. Barring that there is supporting information to indicate that the incident was caused by someone else, and so hopefully would not be considered an at-fault.

[JonnyWyshbone]

OK, do to put this story to an end. State Farm made my buddy pay the deductable, no rise in his rates and SF is going after the scooter operator for the costs, and the world was at peace again

[FiReSTaRT]

OK, do to put this story to an end. State Farm made my buddy pay the deductable, no rise in his rates and SF is going after the scooter operator for the costs, and the world was at peace again

It will be at peace when they start requesting licenses and insurance for those electric scooters

[nobbie48]

It will be at peace when they start requesting licenses and insurance for those electric scooters

I wonder if the various disabled associations would fight that? If they do, any politician that proposed the measures would be vilified. Some disabled lobby groups are as defensive about their rights as the NRA. State Farm could be on a hate list as well if they pursue this. All it takes is the right bleeding heart journalist to take up the cause and anyone opposing the movement is considered evil trash.

It wouldn't matter if the careless medi-scooter driver was crippled in a crash when he was DUI with a trunk full of crack and running from the cops. I can hear the "They've suffered enough" whines already.

At the minimum the operators should have some sort of competency test not only to protect others but to protect themselves. As far as insurance goes, if the medi-scoots are so safe insurance should be cheap. It could be included as part of a household liability policy not unlike small boats under a few horsepower. However the insurance industry is very specific when it come to defining motor vehicles and how liability is handled.

[FiReSTaRT]

I wonder if the various disabled associations would fight that? If they do, any politician that proposed the measures would be vilified.

If they don't like that, they should get mobility scooters that are on 4 wheels and (at least should be) governed to 10km/h, restricted to the sidewalk. If they're able to operate a single track vehicle that at least theoretically requires some pedaling, they ain't all that disabled in my books.

[BusaBob]

OK, do to put this story to an end. State Farm made my buddy pay the deductable, no rise in his rates and SF is going after the scooter operator for the costs, and the world was at peace again

it's too bad your buddy has to pay a deductible.
i'd try to recoup that from the e-cyclist in small claims court.

[matt123]

OK, do to put this story to an end. State Farm made my buddy pay the deductable, no rise in his rates and SF is going after the scooter operator for the costs, and the world was at peace again

Good to hear, thats what i have been sayin the whole time but someone had to turn it into a pissing match so i had to leave it alone.Glad you buddy made the call and didn't try to eat the repairs and go after her himself.I still can't remember If I had to pay the deductible either but probably did.Been there done that and also got off scott free with insurance rates

[Rob MacLennan]

Good to hear, thats what i have been sayin the whole time but someone had to turn it into a pissing match so i had to leave it alone.Glad you buddy made the call and didn't try to eat the repairs and go after her himself.I still can't remember If I had to pay the deductible either but probably did.Been there done that and also got off scott free with insurance rates

When it comes to collisions with uninsured vehicles you have to pay the deductible, so I imagine that you did too. The insurance company at least theoretically will pursue the operator of the other vehicle, then the deductible is supposed to come off the top of that recovery. In practise they figure that you can't get blood from a stone, so they don't pursue.

[coyo]

Good to hear, thats what i have been sayin the whole time but someone had to turn it into a pissing match so i had to leave it alone.Glad you buddy made the call and didn't try to eat the repairs and go after her himself.I still can't remember If I had to pay the deductible either but probably did.Been there done that and also got off scott free with insurance rates

To clarify; I never spoke to what the insurance company would do, I had no idea other to say that they look at things differently than the HTA. I simply corrected points you made about the HTA, no pissing match; just trying to provide accurate information for readers.