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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by rideitlikeyoustoleit View Post
    I'm still not on the policy, and I still live at home but I'm covered since I just bought my own car and own insurance.
    Your covered for your vehicle, You still have no insurance and your parents can get charged with insurance fraud if you are caught driving their car.
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    When you get insurance, the premium is based on all operators in the household. At the time that your Mom was getting her policy, you were still living at home (and hence still in the household). You would have signed an OPCF28a driver exclusion endorsement so that your Mom's premium wouldn't be affected by your high-risk record. Now that you are out of the house, your Mom must notify her insurer and ask that the endorsement be removed. Don't touch the car until you've received confirmation from the insurer.
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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Iv signed the form aswell.
    you have to send in a letter of adress change from the mto (you get it when you change your adress)

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    When a 28A endorsement (the form that you signed) is added onto a policy, it stays on each year that the policy is renewed and issued by the company. Each year, an underwriter will take a look at the policy and decide whether to leave the 28A on, or take it off. If your major conviction is still on your record, then the 28A is still in effect until your mom's next renewal. Sometimes, a company will even request a signed letter by both insured (your mom) and excluded driver (you) outlining that you have moved out, and that you do not have access to the vehicle before they remove the 28A. If you refuse to sign that letter, then they have a right to keep the 28A on (I think), even though you claim you've moved out. Thing is, it's so easy to change address on a Driver's Licence, that it doesn't really mean all that much to insurance companies these days.
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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleks Hara View Post
    When a 28A endorsement (the form that you signed) is added onto a policy, it stays on each year that the policy is renewed and issued by the company. Each year, an underwriter will take a look at the policy and decide whether to leave the 28A on, or take it off. If your major conviction is still on your record, then the 28A is still in effect until your mom's next renewal. Sometimes, a company will even request a signed letter by both insured (your mom) and excluded driver (you) outlining that you have moved out, and that you do not have access to the vehicle before they remove the 28A. If you refuse to sign that letter, then they have a right to keep the 28A on (I think), even though you claim you've moved out. Thing is, it's so easy to change address on a Driver's Licence, that it doesn't really mean all that much to insurance companies these days.
    My mom called and explained that i moved out and the insurance broker apparently yelled at her and told her it doesnt matter that i moved out, i still cannot use their vehicles until my major conviction is off the record. Sounds like the situation you are describing. Should i contact the underwriter to get this straightened out?

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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by paulf2k View Post
    My mom called and explained that i moved out and the insurance broker apparently yelled at her and told her it doesnt matter that i moved out, i still cannot use their vehicles until my major conviction is off the record. Sounds like the situation you are describing. Should i contact the underwriter to get this straightened out?
    Sounds like your SOL. They obviously don't like whatever your major conviction is and have no trust in you as a driver.
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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by paulf2k View Post
    My mom called and explained that i moved out and the insurance broker apparently yelled at her and told her it doesnt matter that i moved out, i still cannot use their vehicles until my major conviction is off the record. Sounds like the situation you are describing. Should i contact the underwriter to get this straightened out?
    The broker "yelled" at her? If true, that's not professional at all. What prompted the angry response from the broker? Even if the broker doesn't want to insure your Mom without you signing an OPCF28a (perhaps they suspect foul play?), they don't have to get angry about it.
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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by VifferFun View Post
    The broker "yelled" at her? If true, that's not professional at all. What prompted the angry response from the broker? Even if the broker doesn't want to insure your Mom without you signing an OPCF28a (perhaps they suspect foul play?), they don't have to get angry about it.
    Its a portuguese broker and i guess my mom being an immigrant portuguese, they assume they can act like the old country...but when i call her that definitely isnt going to fly.

    EDIT: After reading the form, it seems rather ambiguous and makes no mention of address being a factor. So it looks like I am SOL. So in the near future, can we expect to see a obligatory OPCF28a to ensure your uncle with a dirty record signing the form to make sure he doesnt drive your car, while living 2 towns over?
    Last edited by paulf2k; 03-26-2012 at 03:28 PM. Reason: new info

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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by VifferFun View Post
    When you get insurance, the premium is based on all operators in the household. At the time that your Mom was getting her policy, you were still living at home (and hence still in the household). You would have signed an OPCF28a driver exclusion endorsement so that your Mom's premium wouldn't be affected by your high-risk record. Now that you are out of the house, your Mom must notify her insurer and ask that the endorsement be removed. Don't touch the car until you've received confirmation from the insurer.
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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffjones View Post
    Your covered for your vehicle, You still have no insurance and your parents can get charged with insurance fraud if you are caught driving their car.
    I spoke with my insurance and they said that since I have my own insurance, I am able to drive her vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideitlikeyoustoleit View Post
    I spoke with my insurance and they said that since I have my own insurance, I am able to drive her vehicle.
    not if you have previously signed 28A

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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    Quote Originally Posted by rideitlikeyoustoleit View Post
    I spoke with my insurance and they said that since I have my own insurance, I am able to drive her vehicle.
    Have you asked her insurance? I'm sure they will be singing a different tune.
    Insurance doesn't get transfered to whatever vehicle your driving, Your insurance has absolutely nothing to do with driving her car.
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    Re: Signed a form that I would not drive parents' vehicle...

    switch insurance companies?
    This post does not provide any legal advice and readers should consult with their own lawyer for legal advice.

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