Engine ice

**GRAYZ** · 03-23-2012, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Shaman

I've used Ice in two bikes for a whole season. Never got kicked out once, and did get called on it several times. I suppose it matters if the organizers know you and what your crash history is like... haha

You only have to crash once to mess up everyone else's day, or worse.

**Shaman** · 03-23-2012, 08:51 PM

Or not. I'm not a real follower of rules I don't agree with and this is one of them... Ice is good enough for AMA but not for club racing? Please.

Have you seen what happens to Ice when it dries? It doesn't take long. It's dries like sugar, very tacky, and later turns to dust.

You people crack me up... you'll RACE around tar-snakes on the fastest corners and grass growing up between cracks in several very inconvenient (passing) places, on every lap, at Shannonville. But you're all butthurt and worried about a product that has been sanctioned by a major racing organization and is no more of a problem if it escapes on pavement than water is.

**GRAYZ** · 03-23-2012, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Shaman

Or not. I'm not a real follower of rules I don't agree with and this is one of them... Ice is good enough for AMA but not for club racing? Please.

Have you seen what happens to Ice when it dries? It doesn't take long. It's dries like sugar, very tacky, and later turns to dust.

You people crack me up... you'll RACE around tar-snakes on the fastest corners and grass growing up between cracks in several very inconvenient (passing) places, on every lap, at Shannonville. But you're all butthurt and worried about a product that has been sanctioned by a major racing organization and is no more of a problem if it escapes on pavement than water is.

Relax. To my knowledge, the only TD organizer that specifically allows Engine Ice is Pro6. The others appear to be ambiguous, but it's common sense to find that out ahead of time. I would suspect they'd be o.k. with it. But I'm interested in knowing how you think you are getting away with something if it is actually ok with them but you didn't clear that up specifically?

**Shaman** · 03-23-2012, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by GRAYZ

But I'm interested in knowing how you think you are getting away with something if it is actually ok with them but you didn't clear that up specifically?

I'm not "getting away with it," when they ask I tell them I'm using Engine Ice. No tear were shed, no fist fights in the pits, no protracted arguments. Off I go on my track day. YOUR MILAGE MAY VARY.

**Brian P** · 03-23-2012, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Shaman

Have you seen what happens to Ice when it dries? It doesn't take long. It's dries like sugar, very tacky, and later turns to dust.

With the disclaimer that I have not tried it myself (because roadracing rulebook HERE says "no", regardless of what AMA says) - That described behaviour is not consistent with what I've been told by others (just as slippery as ethylene glycol) and it is not consistent with the MSDS for propylene glycol, which is the primary constituent of Engine Ice coolant as I understand it (clear viscous liquid with a boiling point of 188 C).

The AMA's position on this (which appears to have been copied by some other organizations) has to be reconciled with the manufacturer of Engine Ice having sponsored certain AMA roadracing classes in the past, and the AMA hasn't the greatest reputation for keeping safety and technical requirements and class structures independent of commercial considerations. "We'll sponsor a roadracing class for the year ... provided that you allow racers to use it (regardless of the rationale for originally not allowing its use)". That sort of thing.

In the other LONG thread about coolant use on the racetrack, John Bickle expressed his opinion about Engine Ice, and on matters of racetrack safety, I'll take him at his word.

**dricked** · 03-23-2012, 10:12 PM

Great, another engine ice thread that should have ended with the correct answer... water wetter. What kinda tires should I run?

**Shaman** · 03-23-2012, 10:13 PM

I have a lot of respect for John Bickle. But what can I say, it's hard not to believe my lying eyes.

If you want to run Water Wetter, I wouldn't dream of trying to stop you or anyone else. I've run it for 6+ years myself. I just tire of the maintenance and the off-chance that I get an unexpected October deep-freeze that costs me something really expensive.

**dricked** · 03-23-2012, 10:21 PM

Do you leave your bikes outside completly exposed? It would take quite awhile for your bike to freeze in a garadge. Actually nothing froze in my garadge all winter but cool story anyway.

**Shaman** · 03-23-2012, 10:28 PM

I leave them in my trailer, after taping up the air inlets and doing some other maintenance. Not much protection. Good for you that your garage doesn't get to freezing temps, I guess. Mine does, but it's too full of stuff for all my toys. *shrug*

**kneedragger88** · 03-23-2012, 10:37 PM

I will make this VERY clear. At this time the ONLY thing legal in rads of SOAR bikes is water and water wetter. Anything that contains any form of gyycol is no allowed. I dont give a ???? what AMA allows. Until they pay my insurance premiums they have no say.Just because some run it doesnt make it right. If you are caught running anything other than water or water w/wetter at our events you will be sent home.
If someone comes out with something that doesnt use glycol please let me know and we will change the rules.