front fender and turn signals

[Rob MacLennan]

No centre push cancel? Have you considered replacing the switch-gear, to something that does have a centre push cancel?

[Splash]

In the case of a car, the body is designed to provide protection from spray. This is not the case, where a motorcycle is concerned. Ever know anyone who has built a custom motorcycle or chopper? They won't certify, without a front fender.

Every see a custom motorcycle or chopper with a legal rear fender?

[Rob MacLennan]

Every see a custom motorcycle or chopper with a legal rear fender?

Factory? No. Legal is determined at the time of certification. Many have extremely generous rear fenders.

[Brian P]

I know this is stupid but the main reason I want to get rid of my signals is to turn it off I have to slide the button the opposite direction, often causing me to signal that way with no intention...guess I just better get used to it

Then just find a switch assembly from a later model bike and adapt it to yours.

The modern push-to-cancel arrangement became mass-market in the late 1980's and some had it before that.

[Splash]

Factory? No. Legal is determined at the time of certification. Many have extremely generous rear fenders.

please show me one chopper that has a "extremely generous rear fender"

[OpenGambit]

please show me one chopper that has a "extremely generous rear fender"

Does it really matter how many are legal? it doesn't change the law one bit.

[Splash]

Does it really matter how many are legal? it doesn't change the law one bit.

next time try to follow the whole conversation, not just one line...

[Rob MacLennan]

please show me one chopper that has a "extremely generous rear fender"

I note that you were rather selective in leaving out the 'custom' part of my statement.

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/up...ey-chopper.jpg

http://www.alistairharley.com/gallery-item.php?id=14

http://ocdmotorsports.com/images/chopper03.jpg

And the fact remains that if it isn't adequate, then it won't be certified in Ontario, just as the lack of a front fender will disqualify it.

[key3thermal]

next time try to follow the whole conversation, not just one line...

Oh Snap!

[OpenGambit]

next time try to follow the whole conversation, not just one line...

And the fact remains that if it isn't adequate, then it won't be certified in Ontario, just as the lack of a front fender will disqualify it.

Oh Snap!

Oh snap is right.

[Brian P]

Every see a custom motorcycle or chopper with a legal rear fender?

Perhaps more to the point ... Ever see a custom motorcycle or chopper that actually meets the legal requirements AT ALL?

Invariably those are built starting from the VIN of a stock motorcycle along with its CMVSS declaration, but by the time they're done, most of those thumb their noses at practically all of the legal requirements. Lighting, noise level, emissions, license plate placement, fenders, etc are usually all nowhere close to what CMVSS prescribes.

[Splash]

I note that you were rather selective in leaving out the 'custom' part of my statement.

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/up...ey-chopper.jpg

http://www.alistairharley.com/gallery-item.php?id=14

http://ocdmotorsports.com/images/chopper03.jpg

And the fact remains that if it isn't adequate, then it won't be certified in Ontario, just as the lack of a front fender will disqualify it.

I was selective in leaving out the word "custom" because ANY bike can be custom. Mine is custom cause I added a sticker.

ok... so you are saying all those bikes are registered and legal in Ontario? Also... what's is your definition of "extremely generous rear fender".

[Rob MacLennan]

I was selective in leaving out the word "custom" because ANY bike can be custom. Mine is custom cause I added a sticker.

ok... so you are saying all those bikes are registered and legal in Ontario? Also... what's is your definition of "extremely generous rear fender".

That's not what you asked for. Prefer to be a moving target, do you?

To get back on topic, the law is clear on the matter.

[Splash]

That's not what you asked for. Prefer to be a moving target, do you?

To get back on topic, the law is clear on the matter.

I'm a moving target? you're the one you said some choppers have "extremely generous rear fender" and we are talking about the legality of fenders in Ontario.

Ok ok, enough about rear fenders. Unless you have case logs saying that motorcycles require front fenders then the law is not clear on the matter.

[Rob MacLennan]

I'm a moving target? you're the one you said some choppers have "extremely generous rear fender" and we are talking about the legality of fenders in Ontario.

Ok ok, enough about rear fenders. Unless you have case logs saying that motorcycles require front fenders then the law is not clear on the matter.

Did you not read page one of this thread?

Let me first give you the applicable portion of the vehicle inspection law:

1. (1) The motorcycle shall have,
(a) where they were originally installed, securely mounted fenders, mudguards and operative footrests;
(b) every seat thereon securely mounted so as to maintain its position and adjustment; and
(c) every component thereof securely mounted and not interfering with the safe operation of the motorcycle.

Now let me add the applicable section of the HTA:


Mudguards
3) Every motor vehicle and every trailer shall be equipped with mudguards or fenders or other device adequate to reduce effectively the wheel spray or splash of water from the roadway to the rear thereof, unless adequate protection is afforded by the body of the motor vehicle or trailer or by a trailer drawn by the motor vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 66 (3).

There is absolutely no ambiguity here. Motorcycles require their fenders.

[Cat13]

So, I've read on a few kijiji ads that turn signals aren't required by law on bikes in ontario...is this true? I've also read the same thing about front fenders, just some info I'd like to know just because I've damaged my signals and front fender and I'd rather just get rid of'm instead of replace'm, thanks!

Kijiji is king.... it knows everything...

Front fender? If you have none you're just damaging your bike... plus it looks stupid.

Signal lights? I'm not sure if you LEGALLY need them but but it's a good idea... The HTA says you don't need them in one section and says you need them in another section.

How is dirt hitting your bike gonna damage it? The fender is there to keep the **** out of your face. Whether you like the look or not I suggest keeping it for your own sanity if you get caught in ugly weather.

Signals as I was explained by the guy who safetied my bike (I have no turn signals on my cb) if you have the switch then you have to have the lights and they have to meet the HTA. Eliminate the switches and use your arm and your good.

I think the spray from the front wheels would easily go over the bike and rider... and behind, without a front fender..

Correction it goes right into the riders face.

Not only that, you can be charged with failure to signal.
Are you going to raise your hand while making a right hand turn on a red?

You know if your signal goes on your car or bike you are legally required to signal with your arm. Its your left arm because being the driver of a car in North America, that is the arm we can stick out the window to signal. You signal when you approach a turn and then you can pull your arm back to safely manuvour the turn. Same concept with a bike.

[RetroGrouch]

So much misinformation on this thread. Signals are required if your bike was originally sold with them as standard equipment. But if you ride a vintage bike, remove the signals and use hand signals, unlikely you'll get ticketed.

Front fenders on street motorcycles are mandatory, it's part of the safety. But current trend and fashion has many riders of bobbers or cafes removing the front fender for a cleaner look. A cop can ticket you for not having a front fender but it's one of those judgement calls and is rarely enforced.

I just go by the old saying, it's only illegal if you get caught.