Visiting the United States while on bail?

[DOHC1]

If someone is out on bail, are they legally allowed to enter the United States? Theres no bail condition that that says this, and both surities will be accompanying. The charge is assault.
Thanks!

[FiReSTaRT]

There's a good chance they'll ask you if you've ever been charged with something and even if the charges were dropped/dismissed, they'll ask you to explain yourself. They have better access to CPIC than our local services. If I were you, I'd stay away from the US until your indiscretion gets pardoned. They have no legal requirements to let any foreigners into their country. They could tell the Pope to GTFO and be within their rights.

[OpenGambit]

There's a good chance they'll ask you if you've ever been charged with something and even if the charges were dropped/dismissed, they'll ask you to explain yourself. They have better access to CPIC than our local services. If I were you, I'd stay away from the US until your indiscretion gets pardoned. They have no legal requirements to let any foreigners into their country. They could tell the Pope to GTFO and be within their rights.

err pardons don't do anything with regards or getting into the US. They dont' care if you have been pardoned.

[rafiki911]

This thread makes no sence...if someone is out on bail there are conditions to the bail such as promising not to leave the country. Whoever it is that is out on bail better make sure before finding out at the boarder...

[coyo]

err pardons don't do anything with regards or getting into the US. They dont' care if you have been pardoned.

If a pardon has been granted then the criminal record won't show the charge / conviction... smooth sailing.

This thread makes no sence...if someone is out on bail there are conditions to the bail such as promising not to leave the country. Whoever it is that is out on bail better make sure before finding out at the boarder...

Conditions prohibiting travel are quite rare actually. If the condition isn't listed then there's not a problem. However, as Firestart stated, if the USA doesn't want to allow entry, they don't have to. If said person is charged or convicted of "deceitful" offenses such as theft or fraud, the USA has shown it REALLY doesn't like letting those people in.

[rafiki911]

The point is how does someone get bail and not know the conditions???

[REDBALLS]

Usually when you are released on a 'promise to appear' you are given a release form which detail's your conditions in which you must abide by (ie. keep the peace, refrain from illegal substances, do not leave Ontario). When you are released on a 'conditional sentence' you are given a conditional sentence and probation requirement form's which also detail your conditions (ie. keep the peace, 10 year weapons ban, seek counseling, visit probation officer, house arrest address, or curfew times, don't leave Ontario). When you are released on 'bail terms' you are given a release form which also details what you can and what you can't. Certain bail restrictions require you to surrender your passport, attend court dates, curfew. With every single form it will detail your restriction's. Even If you do not have travel restrictions you still may be denied at the border because the border officer doesn't want to let you in the country.

[Scuba Steve]

If a pardon has been granted then the criminal record won't show the charge / conviction... smooth sailing.



Conditions prohibiting travel are quite rare actually. If the condition isn't listed then there's not a problem. However, as Firestart stated, if the USA doesn't want to allow entry, they don't have to. If said person is charged or convicted of "deceitful" offenses such as theft or fraud, the USA has shown it REALLY doesn't like letting those people in.

Wrong they still see the charge in their system and will not let you in pardon or not.

[Rob MacLennan]

Wrong they still see the charge in their system and will not let you in pardon or not.

In fact they can see the charge, even if it was dismissed. I once crossed the border with a friend, who had once been charged with assault for repeatedly striking his landlord in the fist with his face (no, that wasn't a misprint), and they questioned him at the border for roughly an hour about it, before letting us through.The charges were dropped, long before going to court, but they were still in their records on the US side.

[rafiki911]

In fact they can see the charge, even if it was dismissed. I once crossed the border with a friend, who had once been charged with assault for repeatedly striking his landlord in the fist with his face (no, that wasn't a misprint), and they questioned him at the border for roughly an hour about it, before letting us through.The charges were dropped, long before going to court, but they were still in their records on the US side.

lmao wtf.

[coyo]

Wrong they still see the charge in their system and will not let you in pardon or not.

I stand corrected. I had been mis-informed. The USA does NOT recognize a Canadian pardon.

[Rob MacLennan]

lmao wtf.

The landlord claimed 'mutual assault', when his only apparent wounds were bloody knuckles.

[coyo]

In fact they can see the charge, even if it was dismissed. I once crossed the border with a friend, who had once been charged with assault for repeatedly striking his landlord in the fist with his face (no, that wasn't a misprint), and they questioned him at the border for roughly an hour about it, before letting us through.The charges were dropped, long before going to court, but they were still in their records on the US side.

Your friend MAY be able to make that go away, if he hasn't already; http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/nc-faq-eng.htm

[Rob MacLennan]

Your friend MAY be able to make that go away, if he hasn't already; http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/nc-faq-eng.htm

In AMERICAN records? Not a chance in the world. Once information is out there, it's out there.

[coyo]

In AMERICAN records? Not a chance in the world. Once information is out there, it's out there.

A good point. If he'd taken care of it PRIOR to hitting the border he'd likely be fine. Now that they've had dealings with him in regards to it...

[Rob MacLennan]

A good point. If he'd taken care of it PRIOR to hitting the border he'd likely be fine. Now that they've had dealings with him in regards to it...

Whether or not he had crossed the border, they had the information.

[DOHC1]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm in NYC right now. They scanned my passport, but didnt mention anything about charges. I haven't been convicted of anything, just charged (its pending a trial). I'm a dual-citizen (american and canadian), which is why I wasnt worried about the Americans not letting me in (they kinda have to..) ..I was worried about the Canadians not wanting me to leave.
Either way, things worked out. I'll update the thread if Canadians give me any trouble on the way back home.

[DOHC1]

Made it back to Toronto today, no issues at the border whatsoever

[Cat13]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm in NYC right now. They scanned my passport, but didnt mention anything about charges. I haven't been convicted of anything, just charged (its pending a trial). I'm a dual-citizen (american and canadian), which is why I wasnt worried about the Americans not letting me in (they kinda have to..) ..I was worried about the Canadians not wanting me to leave.
Either way, things worked out. I'll update the thread if Canadians give me any trouble on the way back home.

On your way out you cross an American checkpoint not a Canadian. You pass a Canadian checkpoint on your way back.
I think they only reason you didnt have trouble is because of the dual citizenship.

[DOHC1]

I used my Canadian Passport both ways, my American one has been expired for 5+ years now. I find it weird that they didnt even mention it though