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    Quote Originally Posted by Ould View Post
    I made up a checklist that I use when packing the truck. As I pack things I check them off, helps my "ould" aging memory.
    THIS. Checklist to make sure you have everything.

    Also, pack as much as you can the night before.

    Thanks for the writeup, looks good!
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    Just a FYI, I'll work on this again shortly and finalise a version 1. Bumping it so it won't get lost...
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    This should be sticky'd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Azim View Post
    This should be sticky'd.
    Not just yet, I want to finish it first. Put it up so that I could get comments on it and they have been useful in fleshing out the doc.
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    on helmet standards i have not seen "just dot" allowed, always snell and ece, and i think some are bouncing the snell m2005 spec and going to ECE/SNELL M2010 only.
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    Leather pants and jacket that zip together or a one-piece race suit with built in protection at the knees, calves, elbows, forearms etc. Check with the event organiser, as many of them now require a one-piece suit.
    Is this true? I bought a 2-piece race suit last season (from the velocity group buy). I'd be a bit bummed if it were not allowed.

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    Yes, it is true. I've heard that all the major track day organizers in Ontario are now requiring one-piece, although Take On the Track is not (tonight at Shannonville, fwiw).
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    Let me know when you want it stickied.Terrific job.
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    Added "the day is over," and I think that's probably it. Can edit it later if there's anything to add.

    In about a week, if there are no further comments or additions, I'll repost under a new title and ask for a sticky.
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaman View Post
    Yes, it is true. I've heard that all the major track day organizers in Ontario are now requiring one-piece, although Take On the Track is not (tonight at Shannonville, fwiw).
    damn, that's not good for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos View Post
    damn, that's not good for me.
    Maybe not, but frankly, the one-pieces are much safer. I've personally seen more than one person who had their two-piece split at the zipper and rash the hell out of them. At Deal's gap there was a guy near Fontana bridge that had it happen at a stupid speed and it took his zip-in pants clean off him, along with a whole lot of skin. The zip-ins are better than not having a zipper, obviously... but I can see why organisers are putting their foot down.
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    You mentioned in earlier posts about adding the "Now that I've crashed" section.
    It would be a good one for people who have never gone down before.

    I also vote to sticky this thread when Shaman feels it is complete.
    I marshall at TMP every now and then. This thread is 100% accurate and every single bit is great advice.
    Whether you do it all to the T or have your own variations of things described, nothing mentioned here will have a negative impact on your day (unless you're the laziest person ever and neglect to do something).

    As I said I think it's all great advice, but I think the quote below is my favorite part (from marshalling experience):
    Try not to race anybody. Let it go. Have fun. Stay safe.
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    You'll be happy that I have added the crash section. See the final draft.

    MODS: PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD, ITS PURPOSE IS COMPLETE. Final draft thread for any new comments, as this one has too many "old" ones that I have dealt with.

    And thanks for the good comments everyone!
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    Re: FAQ - The Track Day Bible (*DRAFT*)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaman View Post
    Maybe not, but frankly, the one-pieces are much safer. I've personally seen more than one person who had their two-piece split at the zipper and rash the hell out of them. At Deal's gap there was a guy near Fontana bridge that had it happen at a stupid speed and it took his zip-in pants clean off him, along with a whole lot of skin. The zip-ins are better than not having a zipper, obviously... but I can see why organisers are putting their foot down.
    Understandable. So be it. I will buy another suit if need be.

    By the way, this is a great compilation. This will help me shortly.
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    Good article Steve-I had this forwarded to me recently regarding track day life insurance-its not racing.
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    Carnell et al. v. Aviva Canada et al.
    [Indexed as: Carnell v. Aviva Canada]


    105 O.R. (3d) 429


    2010 ONSC 6359


    Ontario Superior Court of Justice,


    Mullins J.


    December 2, 2010*


    Insurance -- Automobile insurance -- Exclusions -- Insured losing control of his vehicle while par-ticipating in driver education event at racetrack -- Event designed to teach participants to drive at higher speeds in controlled environment -- Racing and timing devices prohibited -- Insured not using automobile in race or speed test at time of accident.


    The insured owned a modified Porsche. He was participating in a driver education event operated by the Porsche Club of America at a racetrack when he lost control and rolled the vehicle. Section 4.2 of Statutory Conditions -- Automobile Insurance, O. Reg. 777/93 prohibits use of an automobile in a race or speed test. The insured applied for a declaration that he did not fall within that exclusion at the time of the accident.
    Held, the application should be granted.
    The driver education event was designed to teach participants to drive at higher speeds in controlled environments. Racing and timing devices were not allowed, and there was no start or finish line. A race is a test between rivals. Factors common to a race are as follows: vehicles operating at high speed, in close proximity, over a fixed distance; abrupt lane changes; blocking; bold manoeuvres; jockeying for position; and high-risk passing. At the time of the accident, the insured was not en-gaged in a competitive activity that met the definition of a race, nor was he seeking to test the speed of his vehicle.

    Cases referred to

    Blackstock v. Insurance Corp. of British Columbia, [1982] B.C.J. No. 1480, 138 D.L.R. (3d) 563, 38 B.C.L.R. 339, 15 A.C.W.S. (2d) 387 (S.C.); Gore Mutual Insurance Co. v. Rossignoli, [1964] 2 O.R. 274, [1964] O.J. No. 758, 45 D.L.R. (2d) 216 (C.A.); [page430] McGuiness v. Canadian Gen-eral Insurance Co., [1976] B.C.J. No. 82, 66 D.L.R. (3d) 161, [1976] I.L.R. Â1-740 at 106 (S.C.); Mildner v. Saskatchewan Government Insurance Office, [1962] S.J. No. 85, 40 W.W.R. 86, [1962] I.L.R. Â1-076 at 367 (Q.B.); R. v. Flannery, [1982] O.J. No. 1885 (C.A.); R. v. Machado, [2010] O.J. No. 387, 2010 ONSC 277, 92 M.V.R. (5th) 58
    Statutes referred to
    Insurance Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. I.8 [as am.]
    Rules and regulations
    Statutory Conditions -- Automobile Insurance, O. Reg. 777/93 (Insurance Act), s. 4.2

    APPLICATION for a declaration that the insured did not fall within the statutory exclusion at the time of the accident.

    Bruce Jaeger, for applicants.

    Andrew Davidson, for respondents.




    [1] MULLINS J.: -- The applicants seek a declaration determinative of the applicant's claim for $51,250, pursuant to the terms of an automotive insurance policy issued by the respondent. The en-titlement depends upon the interpretation of whether or not the activities of the applicant Johan Carnell, at the time the loss, fall within the exclusion expressed in s. 4.2 of Statutory Conditions -- Automobile Insurance, O. Reg. 777/93 (Insurance Act). This prohibits use of the automobile in a race or speed test. The parties ask this court to determine the question on the basis of the material filed, there being no material issues as to fact.

    The Facts
    [2] The applicants owned a 1986 Porsche 911 coupe. The vehicle had been purchased in 1996 and modified in 2001, such that it was rebuilt to 3.3 turbo Porsche specifications. With the modification, the vehicle had an estimated output of 450 to 500 horsepower.
    [3] On July 24, 2009, Mr. Carnell, while participating in an event at the Mosport International Raceway, lost control and rolled the vehicle. The vehicle was a total loss.
    [4] Mosport International Raceway is promoted as a world renowned racetrack, designed to chal-lenge a driver's control over his car. It is a facility which permits high-speed operation of motor ve-hicles and features abrupt elevation changes combined with camber changes.
    [5] The applicant is a member of the Porsche Club of America. The Porsche Club of America operates driver education events at the Mosport International Raceway and has done so since 1988. [page431] The applicant was operating his Porsche on the Mosport track during one of these events.
    [6] The stated purpose of the events according to the Porsche Club of America is to deliver edu-cation and opportunity for the driver. It fosters safe and enjoyable exploration of a driver's skills and the performance characteristics of their automobile.
    [7] According to the driver education handbook of the club, drivers are required to have helmets and have numbers on their car. Various flags are utilized regarding track conduct, including a checkered flag.
    [8] The applicant describes the driver education events as closely monitored programs in which participants learn to drive at higher speeds in controlled environments.
    [9] The events have rules regarding driving activities to address the safety of the participants and their cars. Racing is not allowed. Timing devices are not permitted. The events have no timing, scoring, start or finish line. Participants drive in designated groups of those considered to share the same level of skills. The type of vehicle is not a consideration in selecting the group, only the driver skills.
    [10] The programs are designed to allow participants to learn and practise advanced driving skills. As the skill of the driver improves, the driver may progress to more advanced groups.
    [11] The events are monitored by instructors, who are trained by the Porsche Club of America. Passing is only permitted in designated zones and only after the car ahead signals to the other ve-hicle that it may pass and on which side of the vehicle they should pass. The events are monitored by event officials to ensure the rules are being adhered to and to redress any breach of the rules.
    [12] Mr. Carnell was participating in an instructor's session at a Porsche Club of America Driver Education event being held on the weekend when the loss occurred. He was driving between 90 and 100 kilometres per hour. It was 15 minutes into a 20-minute session. His crash occurred with no other vehicles in sight.
    The Law
    [13] The terms "race", or "speed test", are not defined in the Insurance Act. Each term may be considered to have different meanings. Mildner v. Saskatchewan Government Insurance Office, [1962] S.J. No. 85, 40 W.W.R. 86, [1962] I.L.R. Â1-076 at 367 (Q.B.), cited by the respondent, says that a race is a contest [page432] involving speed, whereas a speed test connotes merely a test of speed. In Mildner, the driver was attempting to determine the maximum speed at which he could navigate the track, while taking practice laps before a race. There were no other vehicles on the track. In McGuinness v. Canadian General Insurance Co., [1976] B.C.J. No. 82, 66 D.L.R. (3d) 161 (S.C.), the plaintiff was considered to be in a speed test, as he was trying to determine the maximum speed at which his car could travel a measured quarter-mile.
    [14] Blackstock v. Insurance Corp. of British Columbia, [1982] B.C.J. No. 1480, 138 D.L.R. (3d) 563 (S.C.) was cited to illustrate the significance of the event taking place on a racetrack or drag strip.
    [15] Factors common to a race are vehicles operating at high speed, in close proximity, over a fixed distance; abrupt lane changes; blocking; bold manoeuvres; jockeying for position; and high-risk passing.
    [16] A race is a test between rivals, according to R. v. Machado, [2010] O.J. No. 387, 2010 ONSC 277; Gore Mutual Insurance Co. v. Rossignoli, [1964] 2 O.R. 274, [1964] O.J. No. 758 (C.A.); and R. v. Flannery, [1982] O.J. No. 1885 (C.A.).
    [17] Counsel agree that the rule of interpretation to be applied to an exclusion within an insurance contract is that it is to be strictly and narrowly interpreted.
    [18] I conclude that Johan Carnell was, on July 24, 2009, when he crashed and rolled the vehicle insured by the respondents, exercising his driving skills in an environment which was, by design and intended purpose, such as to challenge his skills and the performance attributes of his vehicle. He was not, however, engaged in a competitive circumstance that would meet the definition of a race, nor was he seeking to test the speed of his vehicle, when and where he lost control and crashed. I find, therefore, that his conduct does not fall within the exclusion from coverage. The applicants are entitled to indemnity under the contract of insurance.
    [19] Counsel may make submissions as to costs within 30 days.

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    So did he win the case? What does all this italic type mean?

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    Yes his family were entitled to life insurance-last paragraph!!,
    point being-lapping is not a race-no waved start-no cheq finish.

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    Great precedent for those who take their street bikes to the occasional track/lapping day.

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    FYI, I will try to finish this tonight if I can. This week for sure. I am going to clarify the track names and some other small points and then we can sticky it up if the mods are still willing.
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