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AM #483 - 2010 ZX-10R.
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Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
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AM #483 - 2010 ZX-10R.
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I think the situation here is that the things that are realistically possible for a lawyer to do to give the cops and prosecutors etc a hard time, aren't things that are practical for the rest of us.
Maybe, but I don't take that as a reason for me to not do them personally.
The way I see it, if someone is willing to write me a dumb ticket or threaten me with something that they can't legally do, they have definately done it to someone else. If no one calls it out, it will continue.
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Keep on doing that, I heartily endorse it just can't do it myself ...
Gambit, I'm a little confused. I understand your point of making the knob cop come under subpoena to annoy him, and the fact that the stupid cop has to come as they wrote the ticket. Then you request an adjournment just to further piss them off. Your plan is they learn from this and don't do it any more. While you are playing these games, you are also tying up the courts and wasting their time. This seems contrary to your post in the puking thread where you hope the guy who intentionally clogs up the court system gets a heavier fine for doing that. It seems to me that if you actually were to implement your plan, it would be poetic justice if your ticket got tossed, but the JP or Judge was aware of your plan (remember, this is a public forum ) and they slapped you with a contempt of court (or whatever could stick).
Perhaps the difference between a law being applied, as intended, and one being completely misapplied?
Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
Perhaps you're right Rob. The extra delay for spite however is just tying up the courts same as in the case of the legitimate ticket (puking). If he hadn't said he would get the officer there under subpeona and then ask for an adjournment just to teach him a lesson, I would say it was warranted. I'll await Gambit's reply for his slant. L
Oh, and then there's the additional threat of misapplying another statute, by that second officer, because of the OP arguing against the misapplication of the first statute. I'm not big on wasting the courts' time but that might also get my goat up enough, that I'd also want to see that officer humiliated before his peers and superiors.
Morally Ambiguous (submissions welcome)
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
I don't disagree Rob. I just think that Gambit was a bit hypocritical in his posts. If he didn't say he would apply for an adjournment to a later date, I wouldn't have written anything in this thread.
I don't see how it is hypocritical at all
situation 1. Guy does something, gets a ticket, his behaviour is the exact type of behaviour the offence is trying to target, he has no defence, he disputes it just to waste time.
situation 2. Guy does nothing, gets a ticket, his behaviour is not an offence. The "experienced traffic officer" gives it to him anyway and her assuming as "experienced" buddy threatens the guy with a penalty that doesn't apply. They go run off into lala land and do it to the next guy.
A court is a legitimate forum for me or anyone else to air their legitmate greivances against the police, thats why you hear charter applications at the same time.
I didn't clog up the court, they did by giving handing out a stupid ticket. The fact that you turn it around and say the person who got the stupid ticket and is now insisting on every procedural right to be the bad guy is ridiculous.
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I hear you Gambit. The part I don't agree with is you using a "procedural right" to delay things for no other reason than to deliver more pain. If you don't actually need the delay, just go ahead with the trial or hearing or whatever. If you actually need the adjournment for a legitimate reason, that's different; but your post sounded like you would ask for that out of spite. I agree with the rest of your plan, but that part seems to have the side consequence of wasting the court's time, which is what you took offence to in the puking thread.
The legitimate reason is to make someone show up on a day where they have nothing else to do, rather than a day where they are scheduled with a bunch of other tickets.
And the only wasting of the court's time, happened because they gave a dumb ticket.
In this situation, I dont' really care about "the court's time". I am not trying to waste their time, but its completely incidental to the main point.
I see no good reason to show any type of retraint when it comes to persons of authority abusing their color of right. If all they get is some choice words to and waste an afternoon, they got off easy.
Last edited by OpenGambit; 02-16-2012 at 12:01 PM.
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Gambit. I won't bother arguing as I agree with you 99%. The 1% just relates to you making the JP, Court Clerk, Baillif etc. waste their time on the second day.
Not to mention if the cop is being paid to show up as a witness it makes the whole thing quite stupid.
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Stupidity is the foundation for the whole process.
Most of the time, the cop doesn't even show up in court, but i'd bet my bottom dollar they still get paid.
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"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
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