Confused...

[dr_sarcasm]

Hello Rob,

Thank you for the links, which I have read by the way, prior to my posting on these forums (I lurk for a few months prior to becoming an active member, something I've been doing since the early BBS days).

The point of my post is that the OP has a blatant disregard for the law - it wasn't an accident, it wasn't a lapse in judgement, nor was it some mid-life crisis. I would have thought (erroneously, obviously), that this forum would distinguish between a mistake and obvious recklessness that puts the lives of others at risk, and insure that others don't follow in those footsteps (yup, through ridicule if necessary - pretty much the defacto standard on any other vehicle related forum).

Regrettably, what I'm gathering here is that we're to extend the same rights and polite manners to any Tom, Dick and Harry, no matter how ridiculously in the wrong they are, and to treat everyone with the same proverbial "kid gloves". So, you mess up, come to the GTA forums, you'll get legal advice on everything including how to kick the neighbour's pets and get away with it...

Odd, I didn't think GTA was a form of moral church where you can come confess your sins and have no repercussions once your session here was completed.

Anyhow, as noted to another moderator, these are your forums, your rules - so long as I choose to be a contributor here, guess I'll have to abide by them...

[Rob MacLennan]

Hello Rob,

Thank you for the links, which I have read by the way, prior to my posting on these forums (I lurk for a few months prior to becoming an active member, something I've been doing since the early BBS days).

The point of my post is that the OP has a blatant disregard for the law - it wasn't an accident, it wasn't a lapse in judgement, nor was it some mid-life crisis. I would have thought (erroneously, obviously), that this forum would distinguish between a mistake and obvious recklessness that puts the lives of others at risk, and insure that others don't follow in those footsteps (yup, through ridicule if necessary - pretty much the defacto standard on any other vehicle related forum).

Regrettably, what I'm gathering here is that we're to extend the same rights and polite manners to any Tom, Dick and Harry, no matter how ridiculously in the wrong they are, and to treat everyone with the same proverbial "kid gloves". So, you mess up, come to the GTA forums, you'll get legal advice on everything including how to kick the neighbour's pets and get away with it...

Odd, I didn't think GTA was a form of moral church where you can come confess your sins and have no repercussions once your session here was completed.

Anyhow, as noted to another moderator, these are your forums, your rules - so long as I choose to be a contributor here, guess I'll have to abide by them...

When you refer to a "moral church", that's exactly what those specific notes try to avoid. It isn't about 'sins' nor is it about 'punishment', from peers or otherwise. It's about navigating the legal system. Posters aren't granted 'absolution for their sins', nor are they offered-up so that other posters can make their own moral judgments. It's about information, pure and simple.

Do you not think that there are times, in which I would like to call someone an irresponsible idiot, or the like? All that would do, is degrade the forum to uselessness. If people think that they are going to get tons of abuse, just by asking for help, then they won't post at all. As I said before: Useless. At that point you might as well just pull that sub-forum down completely.

You're right, we should extend to them every bit of courtesy and have them squeeze every bit of knowledge from us, no matter how incredibly asinine their actions were, so they can do it again and get away with it (fortified by the knowledge that they can run back to these forums and find a loophole in order to avoid the consequences).

Tell you what, you give them the way out, I'll stick to lecturing hoping their subsequent actions don't get innocent bystanders killed.

Then I'm sorry to say that your posts will not last long. Nor will you. Flaming other members results in infractions, which add up to bans.

[dr_sarcasm]

When you refer to a "moral church", that's exactly what those specific notes try to avoid. It isn't about 'sins' nor is it about 'punishment', from peers or otherwise. It's about navigating the legal system. Posters aren't granted 'absolution for their sins', nor are they offered-up so that other posters can make their own moral judgments. It's about information, pure and simple.

You guys are deleting any negative comments that are posted - no offence, but it does become a church when a poster can come here and only hear what they want to hear, just like Saturday afternoon confessions...

Do you not think that there are times, in which I would like to call someone an irresponsible idiot, or the like? All that would do, is degrade the forum to uselessness.

That thread contained mild-mannered negative comments, telling the OP how both sides of the fence felt about his/her actions - hardly something that would degrade the forum.

Then I'm sorry to say that your posts will not last long. Nor will you. Flaming other members results in infractions, which add up to bans.

No worries, I wouldn't dare question this perfect little Nirvana you folks have running here - I'll go back to lurking the Vendor reviews and the For Sale sections, it's safer there.

[Rob MacLennan]

Actually I'm deleting posts with negative comments, that offer no reasonable advice on the topic. On occasion there are negative comments that are allowed to stand, because information was also offered, but it's rare because people who post such comments prefer to pontificate, rather than join the discussion.

[Xhumeka]

for a lurker you sure are opinionated...

[dr_sarcasm]

for a lurker you sure are opinionated...

...note the part where I say I'll go back to lurking...meaning that I was out of lurker mode...and therefore allowed to partake in the swapping of opinions...

Thanks for playing, cupcake.

[Xhumeka]

No problem lurker...

At least you're not tying up a phone line lurking like you would have in the BBS days...