is oil really necessary when winterizing?

[stangn99]

FAAAK.
lol..I think I'll just take the fairings off again and run it, and drain the floats again.

I shouldn't have asked. hahaha

[fastar1]

FAAAK.
lol..I think I'll just take the fairings off again and run it, and drain the floats again.

I shouldn't have asked. hahaha

EDIT
Nevermind, has already been said.

[nitrouz201]

I change the filter with every oil change. I use NAPA GOLD 1356. At $11each, there is no reason why anyone should re-use a filter.

I run the engine for a while before doing an oil change. Usually pour about 150ml of seafoam in the oil, run it for 5-10 minutes, then leave it to drain for about 10 minutes. Then I put the oil bolt back on, rotate the bike around, and leave it to drain for another 10 minutes.

I also fill the filter 1/2 way with fresh oil before screwing it back onto the engine (any more than 1/2 and the oil will spill out as I turn it).

Where did you get the NAPA GOLD 1356 for 11 dollars?

[stangn99]

Where did you get the NAPA GOLD 1356 for 11 dollars?

From Napa in Thornhill. I buy 3 at a time...comes to $11.25 each.

[frekeyguy]

imagine your rod bearings being dry for several months......+ cold/heat cycles. that will cause havoc.

The valve train maybe another issue, but there is always going to be a good film of oil around the cam's/valves. By changing your oil, you are replenishing this thin but critical film of oil.

Oil is not only a lubricant, but also a cleaning agent.

[frekeyguy]

I've torn down a motor that's been sitting without oil for a few months, I haven't found ONE bit of rust on the internals.

Oil does an excellent job of coating everything and critical surfaces have an increased amount of oil going to them.

A rusty bearing will be the least of your worries, i'd be more concerned about the critical few seconds after start up, and its not like you will lose your motor if you keep it free of oil over the winter and fill it up and purge it out in the spring. You might do little damage to it, but it can be avoided or reduced by changing your oil now.

[mike.from.canmore]

I have a copy of a Suzuki factory service bulletin from when I worked in the industry, that recommends that the oil be filled right to the fill hole for storage.

PLEASE post a picture of this service Bulletin you have from Suzuki....
I can you my camera if you don't have one..

Otherwise - this is me, calling your bluff...

YOU HAVE NO SUCH service bulletin.

[mike.from.canmore]

you could lose bearings if they go dry for extended periods of time

Post #2 - you say bad things will happen if stored dry.

I've torn down a motor that's been sitting without oil for a few months, I haven't found ONE bit of rust on the internals.

Oil does an excellent job of coating everything and critical surfaces have an increased amount of oil going to them.

Post #26 - your personal experience says there are no issues?

Sorta kinda contradictory?

[mike.from.canmore]

I have never filled it to the brim for storage either, just the regular amount. I added the service bulletin to emphasise the importance of having oil in there.

I have a fatory service bulletin that says; and I quote

PeterTrocewicz has no such bulletin

Seriously, I have this.

[frekeyguy]

Post #2 - you say bad things will happen if stored dry.



Post #26 - your personal experience says there are no issues?

Sorta kinda contradictory?

how so? explain?

[PeterTrocewicz]

Please excuse the crappy copy, but heer it is.
Page 1, just to prove the source:


Page 4:
just in case it is unreadable, text in the top left coner states: "For motorcycles, drain the engine oil thoroughly. Refill the crankase with engine oil all the way up to the filler hole.

[PeterTrocewicz]

Please excuse the poor copy, but here it is:
Page 1, to prove the source

Page 4

In case it is unreadable, the text in the top LH corner reads: "For motorcycles, drain the engine oil thoroughly. Refill the crankcase with engine oil all the way up to the filler hole."

[bocutter]

In case it is unreadable ...

Aside: a tip for scanning 2 sided pages on a flatbed scanner ... lay a piece of something black (paper, tee, whatever) between the page & the lid.

[Rossi86]

I have a fatory service bulletin that says; and I quote



Seriously, I have this.

Please excuse the poor copy, but here it is:
Page 1, to prove the source

Page 4

In case it is unreadable, the text in the top LH corner reads: "For motorcycles, drain the engine oil thoroughly. Refill the crankcase with engine oil all the way up to the filler hole."

PeterTrocewicz 1 - 0 mike.from.canmore Total ownage!

Hey mike, can you upload a picture of your service bulletin with that camera of yours like peter did?

[stangn99]

Oh...ouch... I didn't think Peter was going to come back with that.

[RockerGuy]

Please excuse the crappy copy, but heer it is.
Page 1, just to prove the source:


Page 4:
just in case it is unreadable, text in the top left coner states: "For motorcycles, drain the engine oil thoroughly. Refill the crankase with engine oil all the way up to the filler hole.

LOLz, don't worry Peter, Mike is just trolling around, we will have him on a leash the next time u come back

[PeterTrocewicz]

No worries, its just that sometimes I enjoy a good knock-down drag-out fight

[RockerGuy]

No worries, its just that sometimes I enjoy a good knock-down drag-out fight

E-fights doesn't count, set up a real brawl. Place ur bets gents

[mike.from.canmore]

PeterTrocewicz 1 - 0 mike.from.canmore Total ownage!

Hey mike, can you upload a picture of your service bulletin with that camera of yours like peter did?

It doesn't happen often - but it sure happened here..
...hangs head in shame.
I might have to re-evaluate my online **** disturbing criteria!

Oh...ouch... I didn't think Peter was going to come back with that.

Obviously, neither did I - but he did. Points to him for that.

LOLz, don't worry Peter, Mike is just trolling around, we will have him on a leash the next time u come back

I can certainly admit defeat when defeated...

PeterTrocewicz - my apologies. I got a little ahead of myself here - but you win. - respect for posting those scans.

No worries, its just that sometimes I enjoy a good knock-down drag-out fight

I called your bluff, but your bluff wasn't a bluff.
Again - points to you and negative points to me for treating you like (user names I won't mention).

E-fights doesn't count, set up a real brawl. Place ur bets gents

Would never get to that... I enjoy a good online debate - cause they usually end in facts.

PeterTrocewicz done did have the facts.







My forecast for early spring - new post in the technical section titled "I followed the manual for some Suzuki bike/ATV, and overfilled my crankcase in my Honda - then I forgot about it and rode around with 5 liters of oil...."

[BrianZ]

Why make something as simple as an oil change so complicated?

1 - Drain oil.
2 - Replace filter.
3 - Reinstall drain plug.
4 - Put new oil in.

You don't need Sea Foam, storage oil, or filling the crankcase to the top if you only plan on putting the bike away for the winter.