Buy a new frame get a VIN number from MTO?

**ski_powder** · 11-28-2010, 12:27 PM

Hey,

Is it possible to buy a brand new frame from a dealer in Ontario and then have the MTO assign a new VIN number for it since the new frame will be blank? Hypothetical situation: take your street bike to the race track and you crack your frame in a low side (frame slider catches on edge of asphalt). You don't want to get the insurance company involved but you cannot find a clean title frame either. I'm aware of other ways to bypass this problem, but it would be great if we could keep it clean in terms of legality to see what the options are.

Cheers

**01cbr** · 11-28-2010, 02:01 PM

You can stamp the vin from the old frame onto the new one and destroy the old frame.

You cant get a new vin for a blank frame.

**Rossi86** · 11-28-2010, 07:44 PM

The dealer can stamp your current VIN number when you buy the blank frame, some bike shops can stamp VIN numbers on blank frames as well.

Depending on the bike, the main concern is the price you will pay at the dealer for a blank frame, I believe it will be cheaper to buy a used clean title frame in good condition then buy a brand new one from the dealer. I was in the same situation a few years ago, and I got an unused blank frame from a private sale, for a fraction of the dealer's price.

Post an ad on Kijiji and the classifieds here, call some slavage yards, you got all winter to figure out what will work best.

**Freestyle72** · 11-28-2010, 08:01 PM

Too bad you can't buy a blank frame and get a new vin from the MTO... the sweet *** projects I would put together!!!

**01cbr** · 11-28-2010, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Freestyle72

Too bad you can't buy a blank frame and get a new vin from the MTO... the sweet *** projects I would put together!!!

Think of all the stolen bikes that could be sold again as fully road legal.

**caboose483** · 11-28-2010, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by 01cbr

Think of all the stolen bikes that could be sold again as fully road legal.

Which happens enough as it is.

**reciprocity** · 11-29-2010, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Freestyle72

Too bad you can't buy a blank frame and get a new vin from the MTO... the sweet *** projects I would put together!!!

why would the MTO issue ANY VIN? they have nothing to do with this process.

If the MTO(and other licensing orgs) created vin's they would have to backwards issue them to the manufacturer to ensure consistency of that companies records.

**JohnnyP636** · 11-29-2010, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by reciprocity

why would the MTO issue ANY VIN? they have nothing to do with this process.

If the MTO(and other licensing orgs) created vin's they would have to backwards issue them to the manufacturer to ensure consistency of that companies records.

I dont know if you can do it anymore with the new regulations on salvage/irreparable titles, but back in the day you could get a custom built title from the MTO. I actually know of one ZX10 that has a custom title, but it was a motorcycle wreaker in Brantford that did it so you might have to have a dealers licence to get it done...Either way the VIN was completely different then any other Kawi VIN Ive seen...And my friend that bought it had a hard time insuring it because it came up as a custom bike not a ZX10...