Parry Sound?

[TwistedIn]

the hundred bucks i was short would help lol just kinda sucks when your told a price to come all that way, then pay the other teams full amount, ask us if we will take less, then agree to what we talked about and still short change me

[g4getmoney]

In my opinion, what's really lacking is entertainment management.

Every good act has great management behind them, that's the truth. It's 90% business, 10% entertainment. That's what this world has come to unfortunately. Less show, more business.

It'd be better to get some management, and pay them $100 for it and have nothing to worry about but riding, than to be short changed $100 and never show again, which ruins the business as a whole.

I'm not sure of the details, but if I was representing that wouldn't be happening, there would be papes to sign and people held liable.

Most organizers and spectators see stunting as a hobby, and treat it as such when it comes to compensation. A viable business product is paid for, and it's enough to cover all costs plus profit. The blame is partially to the riders who treat events as a "riding day" and not a show performance.

How much would it cost to rent some strobe lights, smoke machines, arosol cans and a lighter and put on some effects? Treat it more like a package than just a day of riding. This will allow teams to set their identity, give fans something different, and turn a profit at the same time.

My fingers hurt.

The point is, there needs to be a different mentality for stunting to become a business. Right now it's a hobby. You guys have amazing talent, but you should exploit it for $$$!

Get $.

[TwistedIn]

i can see a bit of your point, but when your making peanuts to begin with, why spend it on management and renting stupid equipment? people that are hiring teams are only going to pay so much, we breaking parts, going through tires, and not to mention risking our lives alot of the time, what more do you want from a show?!?
i was just throwing in some input to the thread about what people thought of the rally.

[cjones]

i gave it some time to hopefully square up but it hasnt happened, i got ripped off some money for driving six hours to do the stunt show that weekend by the guy that was running it, needless to say i wont ever be going back!

If they pulled that with you guys, they will have a hard time getting ANY riders to go back.

[JohnnyP636]

In my opinion, what's really lacking is entertainment management.

Every good act has great management behind them, that's the truth. It's 90% business, 10% entertainment. That's what this world has come to unfortunately. Less show, more business.

It'd be better to get some management, and pay them $100 for it and have nothing to worry about but riding, than to be short changed $100 and never show again, which ruins the business as a whole.

I'm not sure of the details, but if I was representing that wouldn't be happening, there would be papes to sign and people held liable.

Most organizers and spectators see stunting as a hobby, and treat it as such when it comes to compensation. A viable business product is paid for, and it's enough to cover all costs plus profit. The blame is partially to the riders who treat events as a "riding day" and not a show performance.

How much would it cost to rent some strobe lights, smoke machines, arosol cans and a lighter and put on some effects? Treat it more like a package than just a day of riding. This will allow teams to set their identity, give fans something different, and turn a profit at the same time.

My fingers hurt.

The point is, there needs to be a different mentality for stunting to become a business. Right now it's a hobby. You guys have amazing talent, but you should exploit it for $$$!

Get $.

The guys putting on shows like that are professionals that ride everyday for a living, and have sponsorship to help them..We are amateurs with no sponsors at all, working day jobs to support our hobby. And doing little shows for fun to keep it interesting.

If they want a professional show then they need to hire professionals and pay a few thousand dollars for it. That being said most of the shows me and my friends do are small low budget or even charity events, and dont have the kind of funding it takes to bring in a professional stunt team. Thats why they contact us amateurs

Im not planning on ever making money off stunting, some free food would be nice thou!

[Thatgirl]

The guys putting on shows like that are professionals that ride everyday for a living, and have sponsorship to help them..We are amateurs with no sponsors at all, working day jobs to support our hobby.

Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right.

-Henry Ford

[g4getmoney]

I often forget that people have hobbies lol.

Met most of you guys and you're a good bunch of dudes, so I figured a little number talk could spark some movements, but I'm sure that horse has been beaten to death.

It's a shame Canada can't support a better professional stunt market, but we're 1/10th the population in size in comparison to US. Seems more people as a percentage ride down south also, but I don't have stats to back it up.

Anyways bruddah, keep it up on one!
Peace.

The guys putting on shows like that are professionals that ride everyday for a living, and have sponsorship to help them..We are amateurs with no sponsors at all, working day jobs to support our hobby. And doing little shows for fun to keep it interesting.

If they want a professional show then they need to hire professionals and pay a few thousand dollars for it. That being said most of the shows me and my friends do are small low budget or even charity events, and dont have the kind of funding it takes to bring in a professional stunt team. Thats why they contact us amateurs

Im not planning on ever making money off stunting, some free food would be nice thou!

[cjones]

The guys putting on shows like that are professionals that ride everyday for a living, and have sponsorship to help them..We are amateurs with no sponsors at all, working day jobs to support our hobby. And doing little shows for fun to keep it interesting.

If they want a professional show then they need to hire professionals and pay a few thousand dollars for it. That being said most of the shows me and my friends do are small low budget or even charity events, and dont have the kind of funding it takes to bring in a professional stunt team. Thats why they contact us amateurs

Im not planning on ever making money off stunting, some free food would be nice thou!

If you consider the inc amateur thats ok, but the other teams don't necessarily share the same view or goals. Stunt.ca are a professional team and some other Canadian teams are definetely working towards it.

Stunt.ca is Felix's full time job, they have multiple big ticket sponsors and are releasing a second dvd soon.

If Twisted Intentions didn't get their full rate, then the stunt community as a whole needs to make sure nobody rides for that promoter in the future, until he clears up with them.

[toastman]

I was told the promoter spent $7000 on the show, had a gate of less than $2000

[JohnnyP636]

If you consider the inc amateur thats ok, but the other teams don't necessarily share the same view or goals. Stunt.ca are a professional team and some other Canadian teams are definetely working towards it.

Stunt.ca is Felix's full time job, they have multiple big ticket sponsors and are releasing a second dvd soon.

If Twisted Intentions didn't get their full rate, then the stunt community as a whole needs to make sure nobody rides for that promoter in the future, until he clears up with them.

I didnt say anything about Stunt.ca now did I....

My turn!


I like Felix and his buddy, they put on a great show, but they dont have the things that g4getmoney was talking about in their show. And its not really a team, Felix is more into it then any of his other buddies. Hes really got his stuff together, just not a full blown stunt team IMO..

[JohnnyP636]

I was told the promoter spent $7000 on the show, had a gate of less than $2000

Well whos fault is that? I can tell you there was 3 teams there and my team didnt charge 1/3rd of $7000. And Twisted Intentions said they didnt get payed what they asked for. So if they spent $7000 they paid one team a hell of alot more then the others...

We brought 5 riders for our price....Other teams were only 2 each....Bang for your buck you cant go wrong with StuntersINC..LOL

[cjones]

I didnt say anything about Stunt.ca now did I....

My turn!

haha, owned!


But really why don't you consider the inc a professional team? wouldn't it be beneficial to be taken more seriously and earn a better wage?

[JohnnyP636]

haha, owned!


But really why don't you consider the inc a professional team? wouldn't it be beneficial to be taken more seriously and earn a better wage?

Time and money! And also not everyone is willing to put in the same effort. I think we all have that problem....

It seems like in Canada everything comes down to liability and risk...I have talked to alot of people about marketing and managing for us, and in the end they always expect us to insure our selfs. We can not pay $20,000+ a year for a team policy to cover 5 stunt riders and 5 stunt bikes + trailer and all gear. When we havent really made a dime off it yet..And thats where the big ideas hit the wall. And theres alot more they want us to buy or pay for out of our pockets before sponsoring us

Corporate sponsors would like to put their names on our bikes, but not unless they are covered from all liability. One guy has been trying to get us a sponsor for the last year now, and this guy gets alot of racers their sponsorship. He gets alot of interest, but then the liability problem comes up and it fades away..

I dont think any of the shows we have done have proper insurance that would actually cover a stunt show accident. I could be wrong and some could have had it, but I just dont see those types of events being able to afford that kind of coverage...If it even exists

[cjones]

Time and money! And also not everyone is willing to put in the same effort. I think we all have that problem....

It seems like in Canada everything comes down to liability and risk...I have talked to alot of people about marketing and managing for us, and in the end they always expect us to insure our selfs. We can not pay $20,000+ a year for a team policy to cover 5 stunt riders and 5 stunt bikes + trailer and all gear. When we havent really made a dime off it yet..And thats where the big ideas hit the wall.

Corporate sponsors would like to put their names on our bikes, but not unless they are covered from all liability. One guy has been trying to get us a sponsor for the last year now, and this guy gets alot of racers their sponsorship. He gets alot of interest, but then the liability problem comes up and it fades away..

That's a really good point, liability is a huge issue.

[JohnnyP636]

That's a really good point, liability is a huge issue.

I asked guys like Kane what they do for insurance at a shows in the US, and he says they do it like were doing it right now. Just run the show and try your best not to hurt yourself and especially not someone spectating.

There was that one show where the guy fell off the bike and it went screaming through a barrier and into the crowd. I heard that caused alot of problems for them, and they lost alot of potential events and sponsors..No company is gonna want their name on that bike..

[JohnnyP636]

PS you should know what its like being the only one committed to stunting, didnt you start out with your friend but he quit? I give Felix alot of credit for doing what hes doing on his own, I dont think I could do it on my own like he is...

[cjones]

PS you should know what its like being the only one committed to stunting, didnt you start out with your friend but he quit? I give Felix alot of credit for doing what hes doing on his own, I dont think I could do it on my own like he is...

Definetely, yeah mike quit.

Felix has had some pretty legit riders as part of his crew on and off but he's been comitted from the start like 2003 or something? Durty retired this year leaving a big opening.

[TwistedIn]

anybody going this year? if so, find the promoter and punch him right in the face (if its the same guy) lmao

[Jamie C]

What exactly is this event.. ?? I've never heard of it there before.... All I ever hear about Parry Sound is sleds in the winter time...
I would definitely be interested in getting a few of my buddies together and heading up for the weekend to watch.. I'm sure it would be a good ride up..