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    Re: UPS Brokerage fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Moreno636 View Post
    You can do this once..but wont UPS put you on a do not deliver list if you do this once?

    Well I have done it at least half a dozen times in the past five years. No matter how many times you tell shippers to not use UPS they still do.
    But what do I know. Best to keep onlinebitchin about them.

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    Re: UPS Brokerage fees

    For those that are interested of what the brokerage fee consists of (response from UPS):

    Here is the breakdown of the import charges on your brokerage invoice based on the shipper's declared value of $ 445.28 CAD:

    COD CHARGE $4.25
    This is a UPS fee, to cover the cost of collecting the funds in this manner.
    COD GST TAX $0.21
    The Goods & Services Tax on the COD fee.
    BOND FEE $5.85
    Bond fee is a UPS fee for UPS having to pay duty and/or taxes to the government on behalf of the importer.
    ENTRY PREP FEE $48.25
    Entry preparation charges are a fee for UPS processing the paperwork for a package to clear Customs.
    BROKERAGE GST $2.71
    The Goods & Services Tax on the Brokerage charges.
    CUSTOMS GST $22.64
    The Goods & Services Tax on the Canadian value of the goods.
    CUSTOMS PST $36.22
    The applicable Provincial Sales Tax on the Canadian value of the goods.
    TOTAL $120.13

    so $58 is tax, the rest is...."entry prep fee" etc....
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    Re: UPS Brokerage fees

    If you use "UPS Worldwide" brokerage fees are included. otherwise packages under $20 are "free", often it's worth paying the extra for worldwide when you are in a hurry otherwise opt for USPS

    of course you have to pay taxes on it

    here's something to take the mystery out. http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/shi...clearance.html

    Free+ - When UPS Customs Brokerage handles your imports, there is no Entry Preparation Fee for routine customs clearance of UPS Worldwide Express Plus, UPS Worldwide Express, UPS Worldwide Express Saver, and UPS Worldwide Expedited shipments, including up to five classification lines. Charges may apply for more complex customs clearance procedures.
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    Re: UPS Brokerage fees

    question when shipping FROM CANADA to USA

    if we ship via ups/fedex, will receiver get dinged with brokerage?

    What services will avoid these brokerage charges?

    Assume I'm shipping as "gift"
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    Re: UPS Brokerage fees

    Quote Originally Posted by unowned View Post
    question when shipping FROM CANADA to USA

    if we ship via ups/fedex, will receiver get dinged with brokerage?

    What services will avoid these brokerage charges?

    Assume I'm shipping as "gift"
    AFAIK they don't pay any brokerage in US. Nice, ha? But I would still avoid shipping UPS. Once I send a package via UPS to US and had a lot of problems. The guy who supposed to receive it, called me and said that UPS wants his Social Security Number to release the package. He did not want to give this information. UPS returned the package to me, the guy paid again and I shipped via Canada Post.

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    Hey guys. I had a friend who ran into the UPS brokerage fee recently and I did some research for him. UPS told him that he would have to go to Niagra Falls to clear his goods if he wanted to do it himself. While I was looking into it I saw there was a large number of folks experiencing the same thing so I thought I would share the information I found.

    As was mentioned correctly earlier in the thread a courier does indeed need your permission to represent you as a broker. The authority for this is found in D1-6-1 http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/d...d1-6-1-eng.pdf

    "4. Any person who proposes to transact business with CBSA as the agent of another person is responsible for ensuring that the proper authority has been granted. The written authority is often referred to as an agency agreement or a power of attorney."

    This means of course you always have the right to clear your goods your self or using any broker you want. As was mentioned earlier generally couriers get permission to act as your broker when you sign for the goods, in fact the LVS regulations specifically allow for them to do this, however they also give you the right to decline to use them.

    Now I should mention the information I am referencing for this post is only LVS courier casual goods. That means the goods have to be valued at under $1600 Canadian and not be controlled, prohibited or regulated by an act of Parliament. To qualify as Casual the goods have to be for the personal use of an individual and not be commercial goods.

    We find the regulations for LVS courier goods in D 17-4-0

    http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/d...17-4-0-eng.pdf

    "1. The Courier Low Value Shipment (LVS) Program streamlines the reporting, release and accounting procedures for certain goods imported by courier. Couriers authorized by the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) to participate in the program may have qualifying goods released by presenting a cargo/release list to the CBSA. To qualify under this program the goods must:
    (a) be valued at less than CAN$1,600; and
    (b) not be controlled, prohibited or regulated by an Act of Parliament"

    So what does LVS mean?

    from D17-4-0 again

    "11. The cargo/release list for authorized participants of the Courier LVS Program is to be used in place of individual cargo control and release documents for goods valued under CAN$1,600. The list must be presented to the CBSA by the courier before or as soon as the shipments arrive in Canada. It must contain a concise description of the LVS qualifying goods so that the border services officer can determine the admissibility of the goods."

    So the courier gives customs information on the goods they are bringing in to Canada.

    Next if the goods are not being released at the office they enter Canada at they can move inbond to the office of release. This is important to note because UPS will often argue that the goods have to be released at the office of arrival but this is not true and we know it is not true because the LVS regulations tell us so.

    Again from D-17-4-0

    "16. When Courier LVS goods arrive in Canada at an office other than the office of release, the in-bond movement of the shipments to the office of release is permitted, provided that the entire container or load is moved inland."

    So the courier following these regulations moves your LVS parcel in bond eventually to a distribution centre near the importer. At this point the goods have not been accounted for, that is no duties and taxes have been paid yet, and the courier can not release them to the importer until they have.

    So now the goods are in the UPS warehouse near your house and they bring them to your door. Lets see what the D 17-4-0 says about what happens next.

    "Release and Accounting
    54. Once the CBSA releases the casual goods, the courier delivers the shipment to the importer. The duties and taxes owing are paid by the importer to the courier. Afterwards, the courier or its agent accounts for the goods on an “F” type entry which is presented to the CBSA before the 24th day of the next month, with the duties and taxes payable by the end of that month."

    Ah so you pay the courier your duties and taxes (and brokerage fee), receive your goods and then the courier goes ahead and acts as your broker and pays the duties and taxes with an F type entry the next month.

    So what happens if you decide you don't want to pay the duties and taxes and brokerage fee to the courier? Surely the regulations state that the goods have to go back to the office of arrival right? and you have to pay the duties and taxes at that office right?That's what UPS told my friend. Wrong.

    D 17-4-0

    "56. If an importer wishes to account for the goods himself or herself, the courier does not release the shipment to the importer but holds the goods until the importer presents satisfactory proof that the appropriate duties and taxes have been paid directly to the CBSA. The importer must note the unique shipment identifier number and contact the courier to determine where the goods are held in a bonded warehouse until the release is effected."

    So the courier hangs on to the goods which are still in bond at their warehouse. The courier must provide the importer with information as to where the goods are, what the unique shipment identifier number is (they would have provided this to customs earlier as part of the cargo/release list noted in section 11). Now you the importer can take that information along with a bill or invoice from the shipper to your nearest customs office and get a B15 done for free. Customs will do all the work. Take that back to UPS and then as noted in section 56 of D17-4-0 they must release the goods to you.


    Now simply put if a courier, say UPS, arrives at your door and you refuse to pay the duties and taxes, you want to do this:

    Ask them where the goods are going now, which will be the nearby warehouse. (they may threaten to take them back to the border warehouse but this does not make sense from a economical sense on their part, is not supported by the LVS regulations and even if they do you can still clear your goods at the office closest to you)

    Next ask for the unique shipment identifier number.

    Print out a copy of the invoice from the shipper (most online shippers email this to you if not request a copy after you place your order)

    Take these three pieces of information with you to your nearest CBSA office and ask for a B15.

    Return to UPS with your B15, which will show you paid your duties and taxes and receive your goods.

    If they give you any kind of hassle print out a copy of D 17-4-0 to support your right to clear the goods yourself and show that the goods to not have to be accounted for at the border entry office.

    Armed with this information my friend was able to a number from UPS that he brought to customs and was able to get UPS to accept a B15 and release his goods.

    Hope folks that are forced to use a courier find this useful. Knowledge is power. By the way all the customs regulations can be found on the CBSA website at http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/menu-eng.html

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    Re: UPS Brokerage fees

    Quote Originally Posted by LVSinfo View Post
    Hey guys. I had a friend who ran into the UPS brokerage fee recently and I did some research for him. UPS told him that he would have to go to Niagra Falls to clear his goods if he wanted to do it himself. While I was looking into it I saw there was a large number of folks experiencing the same thing so I thought I would share the information I found.

    As was mentioned correctly earlier in the thread a courier does indeed need your permission to represent you as a broker. The authority for this is found in D1-6-1 http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/d...d1-6-1-eng.pdf

    "4. Any person who proposes to transact business with CBSA as the agent of another person is responsible for ensuring that the proper authority has been granted. The written authority is often referred to as an agency agreement or a power of attorney."

    This means of course you always have the right to clear your goods your self or using any broker you want. As was mentioned earlier generally couriers get permission to act as your broker when you sign for the goods, in fact the LVS regulations specifically allow for them to do this, however they also give you the right to decline to use them.

    Now I should mention the information I am referencing for this post is only LVS courier casual goods. That means the goods have to be valued at under $1600 Canadian and not be controlled, prohibited or regulated by an act of Parliament. To qualify as Casual the goods have to be for the personal use of an individual and not be commercial goods.

    We find the regulations for LVS courier goods in D 17-4-0

    http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/d...17-4-0-eng.pdf

    "1. The Courier Low Value Shipment (LVS) Program streamlines the reporting, release and accounting procedures for certain goods imported by courier. Couriers authorized by the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) to participate in the program may have qualifying goods released by presenting a cargo/release list to the CBSA. To qualify under this program the goods must:
    (a) be valued at less than CAN$1,600; and
    (b) not be controlled, prohibited or regulated by an Act of Parliament"

    So what does LVS mean?

    from D17-4-0 again

    "11. The cargo/release list for authorized participants of the Courier LVS Program is to be used in place of individual cargo control and release documents for goods valued under CAN$1,600. The list must be presented to the CBSA by the courier before or as soon as the shipments arrive in Canada. It must contain a concise description of the LVS qualifying goods so that the border services officer can determine the admissibility of the goods."

    So the courier gives customs information on the goods they are bringing in to Canada.

    Next if the goods are not being released at the office they enter Canada at they can move inbond to the office of release. This is important to note because UPS will often argue that the goods have to be released at the office of arrival but this is not true and we know it is not true because the LVS regulations tell us so.

    Again from D-17-4-0

    "16. When Courier LVS goods arrive in Canada at an office other than the office of release, the in-bond movement of the shipments to the office of release is permitted, provided that the entire container or load is moved inland."

    So the courier following these regulations moves your LVS parcel in bond eventually to a distribution centre near the importer. At this point the goods have not been accounted for, that is no duties and taxes have been paid yet, and the courier can not release them to the importer until they have.

    So now the goods are in the UPS warehouse near your house and they bring them to your door. Lets see what the D 17-4-0 says about what happens next.

    "Release and Accounting
    54. Once the CBSA releases the casual goods, the courier delivers the shipment to the importer. The duties and taxes owing are paid by the importer to the courier. Afterwards, the courier or its agent accounts for the goods on an “F” type entry which is presented to the CBSA before the 24th day of the next month, with the duties and taxes payable by the end of that month."

    Ah so you pay the courier your duties and taxes (and brokerage fee), receive your goods and then the courier goes ahead and acts as your broker and pays the duties and taxes with an F type entry the next month.

    So what happens if you decide you don't want to pay the duties and taxes and brokerage fee to the courier? Surely the regulations state that the goods have to go back to the office of arrival right? and you have to pay the duties and taxes at that office right?That's what UPS told my friend. Wrong.

    D 17-4-0

    "56. If an importer wishes to account for the goods himself or herself, the courier does not release the shipment to the importer but holds the goods until the importer presents satisfactory proof that the appropriate duties and taxes have been paid directly to the CBSA. The importer must note the unique shipment identifier number and contact the courier to determine where the goods are held in a bonded warehouse until the release is effected."

    So the courier hangs on to the goods which are still in bond at their warehouse. The courier must provide the importer with information as to where the goods are, what the unique shipment identifier number is (they would have provided this to customs earlier as part of the cargo/release list noted in section 11). Now you the importer can take that information along with a bill or invoice from the shipper to your nearest customs office and get a B15 done for free. Customs will do all the work. Take that back to UPS and then as noted in section 56 of D17-4-0 they must release the goods to you.


    Now simply put if a courier, say UPS, arrives at your door and you refuse to pay the duties and taxes, you want to do this:

    Ask them where the goods are going now, which will be the nearby warehouse. (they may threaten to take them back to the border warehouse but this does not make sense from a economical sense on their part, is not supported by the LVS regulations and even if they do you can still clear your goods at the office closest to you)

    Next ask for the unique shipment identifier number.

    Print out a copy of the invoice from the shipper (most online shippers email this to you if not request a copy after you place your order)

    Take these three pieces of information with you to your nearest CBSA office and ask for a B15.

    Return to UPS with your B15, which will show you paid your duties and taxes and receive your goods.

    If they give you any kind of hassle print out a copy of D 17-4-0 to support your right to clear the goods yourself and show that the goods to not have to be accounted for at the border entry office.

    Armed with this information my friend was able to a number from UPS that he brought to customs and was able to get UPS to accept a B15 and release his goods.

    Hope folks that are forced to use a courier find this useful. Knowledge is power. By the way all the customs regulations can be found on the CBSA website at http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/menu-eng.html
    Great post. Wow times have changed when I was working in the industry the LVS program just came into play and was $25. Yes its been a while....hahahaha. I used to work with the MST at 12.5% before the days of GST.

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    Re: UPS Brokerage fees

    I ordered a part from GPR (new mount), cost 150. their guys decide to ship ups. So I get their 15 dollar shipping, PLUS a brokerage fee of anoterh 62 bux. (unsure why but according to the tracking, it came into canada, left canada and came back in).

    But after complaining and a little creative letter writing, I got gpr to reimburse me the 62 dollars before receiving the package.
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