Reply With QuoteDo you have any idea how many stories a traffic officer hears from people who are trying to get out of tickets? All that this does, is point out that perhaps there should be a protocol for on-call doctors in the city.
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Officer's discretion my ***. The officer is an ***.
cop delays/tickets on-call cardiologist on way to hospital to save heart attack victim
Originally Posted by turbodish
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Do you have any idea how many stories a traffic officer hears from people who are trying to get out of tickets? All that this does, is point out that perhaps there should be a protocol for on-call doctors in the city.
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sarcasm...write him up for a nice round $200,000....he can afford it...sarcasm
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that every St. Mike's employee has an ID badge with their dept. and credentials on it. There's 3 choices. Everyon'es lying, everyon's telling the truth, some indetermined ratio of both. Hence the use of discretion. The bullet head in question has none, and his forensic skills are questionable at best..
Last edited by FullMotoJacket; 01-12-2010 at 09:38 AM.
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Except that possession of an ID isn't evidence of an emergency. My stance on having some sort of protocol in place stands.
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But you weren't there..you don't know the whole story. The officer DID use his discretion...the heart patient lived. So I don't know why this is even news??
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I like the green flashing light idea...like volunteer fire fighters have.
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The cop is a bit of an idiot for not offering to escort the doctor to the hospital. If a heart surgeon claims it's a life and death situation, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
Rob made a valid point though. We do need to establish a protocol for medical professionals in emergency situations.
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Something like that, along with having a placard or pre-registered license plate, would be an excellent idea.
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"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
I would have to side with the doctor had this been an actual emergency, but in my opinion it wasn't. They admitted him for observation, then decided he needed surgury hours later. In this particular case it wasn't a situation where seconds counted (this is obvious by the fact he lived with a ten minute delay and that he had been there all day).
The good doctor was speeding, was caught and tried to talk his way out of it like any other person would have done. The doctor knows this as well as anyone which is why the hospital spokes person says the doctor said it's a personal matter between him and the police. The doctor is aware that he was wrong.
You can't fix stupid
Didn't read the story...but an emergency surgury could happen at anytime...not just beacuse he was in observation for hours...and everything was fine...in a blink of an eye something could have gotta wrong and the person could have died...
That's what happened to my grandpa...doctors like...he will be fine overnight...I get a phone call in 4 in the morning...my grandpa passed away...
Personally, I agree with him being given a ticket. Going that speed in a residential area posed a threat to everyone around him. He was not in an emergency vehicle, he was just a speeding motorist, remember? Suppose he had caused a collision himself? It would have been a big one at that speed! If he had caused an accident and killed someone's child or something, you'd all be screaming about that, wouldn't you?
I agree with Rob's suggestion about there being the need for some sort of protocol in place, such as Paul's suggestion of the Doc's have an emergency response flashing light they could use. Until then, the cop did the right thing...as long as he didn't delay the process just to be an ***.
...Then one day you realise your 'knight in shining armour' is just a retard in tinfoil.
just tossing a thought out there....Unless they were trained to drive in emergency situations, giving them free reign to claim an emergency would just open the doors to misuse. That being said, it would not be a bad idea to allow them to move quickly thru traffic without impediments, but not at very high speeds.
I have heard numerous stories from friends on the force who have pulled over doctors..... you'd be surprised at just home many of them are on "emergency calls" when they are pulled over.... I even had one friend who phoned the hospital the doctor was going to.... and guess what.... NO emergency...
There must be some way to equip a physician with a "pager" of some sort, such that when they are on call, and going to an emergency the Hospital can send a signal to the "pager" that indicates the doctor is indeed responding to an emergency.... It would only be the hospital that can activate the device in the doctors possession, and the device is only used when there is an actual emergency....
Guess it's just another reason to bash the cops..... I guess they should bash the doctor for living too far away from the hospital now eh?
Way I see it cop had two options.
1. Doc is lying to him.
Letting Doc go would made him sucker.
2. Doc is not lying to him.
Letting Doc go would maybe save someone.
Now who would want to be sucker, when possible alternative
is just life of some random person... Surely not that cop.
Karma is ***** and I can see her coming back to collect eventually...
If he was concerned about safety letting doc go with
warning to slow down would be just as safe as holding
him up with the ticket and letting him go after that...
The green light idea could work, but of course some of them will use it just to get around faster. Sad thing is that most people don't even know what that green flashing light means...
Just like SlowNlow said, every day a doctor of some sorts is pulled over in their benz, and of course, is on his/her way to an emergency! Once you offer to escort them to where they're going, they typically change the story...so i've heard...
I'm waiting to hear about the officer who pulls over the gynecologist on a "emergency" call...
The patient may have been harmed by the delay.
The problem with giving doctors some special dispensation to speed is that someday, somewhere, someone is going to get killed. Then what?
The green light on volunteer firefighters works because it is in a rural enviroment, not downtown Toronto.
The problem with giving any one with a hospital ID card the right to speed to emergencies is that every time some gets pulled over with a hospital ID, it will be a medical emergency. Then, of course there is the liability problem.
What has been done in other jurisdictions is a police car is used as a taxi to ferry the doctor to the hospital (he is allowed to speed, had driver training, etc, etc, etc). For that to happen in Toronto there are a couple of rules that have to change, but it is doable.
Hmmmmm. you are forgetting the fact that before the police charge someone with speeding they check his/her driving record... for all you know the "doc" could have numerous speeding offenses..... or other moving violations.... Had I been in the cops position, I would have phone the hospital to check.... but the officer is under no obligation to do so.
another wannabe surgeon-above-the-law attitude...
The problem is not with the cop, he was just doing his job.
The problem is with our health care system! there should be resident cardiologist surgeons 24/7 in major hospitals!
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