2002 Suzuki TL1000R shuts down :S

Hey everybody
i need a bit of help in finding out the problem

i got a 02' tl1000r, runs no problem, starts in a jiffy, however when its running, just randomly it will shut off as id hit the kill switch
now i thought to myself maybe its the idle valve.. tried adjusting that, no luck
well the bike has been stored over the winter, so i figured id go for a rip, see how that goes
the bike is warm enough.. lets go!
as im making a slow left hand turn in 1st gear, it does it again, just shuts off, lights everything is on, but motor shuts off.. wtf

anybody got any idea?
any input is greatly appriciated

Sounds like electrical. Perhaps an intermittent ground problem?

Step 1, check your battery connections. Make sure they are tight and clean.

Check tip over sensor too. Does the fuel pump prime after it shuts engine down? Check the R/R and the plug going into your starter solenoid for corrosion.

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Originally Posted by DownUnder

Check tip over sensor too. Does the fuel pump prime after it shuts engine down? Check the R/R and the plug going into your starter solenoid for corrosion.

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I dont think those old TILLERS have a tip over sensor....

^ bealive it or not, it does! :P
i will go to the garage later, try to look around the ecu and tos, see if i can scout something out

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

^ bealive it or not, it does! :P
i will go to the garage later, try to look around the ecu and tos, see if i can scout something out

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The problem definitely sounds like electrical. If its intermittent it sounds like you have a bad connection somewhere. Start checking the battery connections, then charging system stuff, then everything else. Hopefully it is something obvious. If you can, get some dielectric grease and remove all the connectrs you can then smear on some of the grease then reconnect.

Does it have a kickstand sensor? If so I'd put my money on that being the problem.

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Originally Posted by Hardwrkr13

Does it have a kickstand sensor? If so I'd put my money on that being the problem.

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Yep, that was the problem on my 2000 CBR 929! Especially left hand corners in 1st gear. If I hit a bump at all BOOM, it'd just die! :(

Can't count how many times it tried to kill me like that. I'd like to think I'm a better rider now because of it :D

-Jamie M.

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Originally Posted by caboose483

The problem definitely sounds like electrical. If its intermittent it sounds like you have a bad connection somewhere. Start checking the battery connections, then charging system stuff, then everything else. Hopefully it is something obvious. If you can, get some dielectric grease and remove all the connectrs you can then smear on some of the grease then reconnect.

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Older suzuki's have poor quality plugs, that will short out over time....there should be a Yellow ; white ; black plug hidden around the rad...that could be the issue. I've seen various models from SV's, GSXR's....have the same issue with plugs...its usually the yellow or white plug which is the issue.


Clean + di-electrical grease is great advise....even if it isn't the fix that will resolve it....

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Originally Posted by Hardwrkr13

Does it have a kickstand sensor? If so I'd put my money on that being the problem.

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Originally Posted by toysareforboys

Yep, that was the problem on my 2000 CBR 929! Especially left hand corners in 1st gear. If I hit a bump at all BOOM, it'd just die! :(

Can't count how many times it tried to kill me like that. I'd like to think I'm a better rider now because of it :D

-Jamie M.

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Easy way to trouble shoot the switch issue...dis-connect and by-pass and test it out....

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Originally Posted by frekeyguy

Easy way to trouble shoot the switch issue...dis-connect and by-pass and test it out....

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It was brand new, under warranty. Shop took 1.5 years to fix.

-Jamie M.

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Originally Posted by toysareforboys

It was brand new, under warranty. Shop took 1.5 years to fix.

-Jamie M.

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wow @ shop....

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Originally Posted by frekeyguy

wow @ shop....

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Brooklin Cycle. No longer in business.

They kept blaming it on stuff. "It's your radar detector", remove that, still does it, bring it back. "It's your power commander", remove that, bring it back. "It's your blue neon lights". Remove those, bring it back. "Oh, Honda said probably bad TPS, three weeks to get one. Tried that, same problem. Replaced absolutely everything on the bike including the ECU and still did it. Not sure how they eventually figured out it was the kick stand sensor! lol. They were convinced it was a fuel injection problem because it was Honda's first bike with Fi.

-Jamie M.

If it still does it with the sidestand switch eliminated, one easy thing to check is.............with the bike running, turn the bars from left to right a number of times and then try tugging on the wiring and connectors especially from the ignition switch and the kill button box. Most times you can get a bike to shut off pretty quick if there's a problem there.

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Originally Posted by theassassin

If it still does it with the sidestand switch eliminated, one easy thing to check is.............with the bike running, turn the bars from left to right a number of times and then try tugging on the wiring and connectors especially from the ignition switch and the kill button box. Most times you can get a bike to shut off pretty quick if there's a problem there.

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Thats what I was thinking, weak connection somewhere. I had a similar problem on my bike. It kept shutting off while driving in a straight line. Battery had enough juice to start but it wasn't getting a charge from the regulator/ stator. Once I replaced the battery ( my sealed battery had no liquid left in it when I opened it. But since it was a Yuasa, it recovered enough to start the bike each and every time.

Anyhow, once I replaced the stator/ rectifier and all the old wires to the stator and rectifier, problem solved and bike puts out 13.8 volts when running.

Start with your battery and see what it puts outs when disconnected, when connected, when the bike has been started. You may be surprised. My bike is a VFR but the most common problems with bikes and cutting out while running can be traced to electrical. Check all connections to stator and rectifier and see if anything is burnt, feel around for hard /brittle wires.

Shoot me a PM or repost..

hey everybody, havent been on here for a while, im helping my family move to a new house, and at the same time IM moving to a new house aswell
2 moves in 1 month, so much packing :@

anyways about the bike :(

ive stripped the bike completly, greased all connectors, checked all the wires, wiggled allllll the wires while the bike was running, turned the steering wheel left/right
jumped on the bike.. NOTHING, it still dies on me

HOWEVER

i found something out, the bike had a PowerCommander on it before, but its not there, i found the connectors in the tail part after i took it off
and another thing: when im on the bike, and just rolling in first gear WITHOUT giving the bike gas, and just releasing the clutch, the bike will move, and then shut off, the same identical way it would shut off when you hit the kill switch, BUT the switch wasnt touched :(

guys pleaseee help me out here, this is driving me crazy, the weather is super epic, so many bikes out, and im still stuck in my cage :(

wanted to add a few ideas running through my head

could it be gas?? the bike was stored over winter, and when i cameby to see it, the bike barely had any fuel in it
could it be spark plugs? what if a cap on one spark plug is not sitting well enough, could that cause the shut down? its a v-twin dont forget
air filter?
clogged fuel filter???

FFFFFAAAAQQQQQ im soooo angryyyyy

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

wanted to add a few ideas running through my head

could it be gas?? the bike was stored over winter, and when i cameby to see it, the bike barely had any fuel in it
could it be spark plugs? what if a cap on one spark plug is not sitting well enough, could that cause the shut down? its a v-twin dont forget
air filter?
clogged fuel filter???

FFFFFAAAAQQQQQ im soooo angryyyyy

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All of those are possible. Try bypassing the kickstand switch, or check your manual and test it with a multimeter. Also check the voltage on your battery while it is off, ignition on, idling, and when it is running. Post back with the #'s.

http://www.chucksirois.com/tl1000/FAQ.htm

Electrical problems; crazy gauges, dimming gauges/ dash, battery does not charge, bike dies

First things first, make sure you have a good battery and that it has a good clean connection to the bike. Put your bike in dealer mode and check for any code and resolve those first. A broken wire can appear as a faulty sensor or if you have other issues you may want to deal with those first. The most common problem at this point is connector corrosion on the main fuse block which is located next to the battery. The positive line from the batter goes right to it and it has 2 fuses -the fuse and a spare. There a 4 wire plug that connects to this block -this is where your problem may be GO HERE Other common problems: faulty side stand switch, faulty kill switch, faulty start switch, bad starter, bad fuel pump

http://wotid.com/tls/content/view/54/60/

"This page is about getting the bike into dealer mode to check for fault code and to set the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS)

The instructions are valid for the TLS and the TLR and the fault codes are the same for both bikes except the TLR has a couple of extra codes for the secondary injectors."


Also, here is the shop manual...

http://www.chucksirois.com/TL1000/fileshare/files/TL1000R-Manual%2898-02%29.pdf

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

i found something out, the bike had a PowerCommander on it before, but its not there, i found the connectors in the tail part after i took it off

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More than likely you found the plug needed to enter the dealer mode.

Hope that helps. post up any results.

What SLaP said. Do yourself a favour; follow the links he provided (they're all fantastic and they know their stuff. You can also check www.tlzone.net and www.tlplanet.com) and check for a code in dealer mode (if you don't have the dealer plug you can make one with a paper clip and a little electrical tape). If no code, then by-pass your kick-stand switch and try it out... I'm thinking you'll find your problem by then.

the links that SLAP posted, i came across them yesterday night, im gonna go later today and try doing that power fix mod
also i gonna drain the gas tank, check the air filter, plugs, fuel filter
and later ill update here

By chance is this bike yellow in colour ?

^ nope, its blue/white

btw just a little thought poped in my head... if there is water buildup in the gas tank, could that cause the bike to shut off????????????????

so i just came from the garage,
i checked that power connector, everything is fine

can anybody recomend me a shop to get this done?

Try pro6

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

so i just came from the garage,
i checked that power connector, everything is fine

can anybody recomend me a shop to get this done?

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Are you not going to try the kick stand switch first?

i just came from the garage, jumped the wires for the computer
it threw me a code...

c00 = no fault

ill try the kickstand switch bypass, but question is, how could that solve the problem if the bike shuts off in neutral while just standing there?!

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

ill try the kickstand switch bypass, but question is, how could that solve the problem if the bike shuts off in neutral while just standing there?!

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I didn't realize that the bike did it in neutral too. That being the case, the kickstand switch is out as the culprit. Will the bike fire right back up after dieing?

before i run to the garage, i wanted to point more attention to something

the bike HAD a power commander on it, with slip on cans
COULD the power commander do something? changeup the settings on the computer? and now the air/fuel mixture is messedup?!?

i unno, i exhausted my ideas

im gonna try to take appart the handle bar switch, maybe something wrong there
and ill bypass the kickstand switch/sensor too

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Originally Posted by coyo

I didn't realize that the bike did it in neutral too. That being the case, the kickstand switch is out as the culprit. Will the bike fire right back up after dieing?

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yes the bike will fireup within an instant

once the bike dies, the fuel pump will continue priming for a few sec and then stop, JUST as it would when hitting the red switch on the right when about to fireup the bike

http://www.chucksirois.com/TL1000/plus-mod/index.htm

^^ ive checked everything there, the connector is as good as new, no corrosion, everything is nice and clean

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

the bike HAD a power commander on it, with slip on cans
COULD the power commander do something? changeup the settings on the computer? and now the air/fuel mixture is messedup?!?

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I BELIEVE that the PC just changes info going into the ECU, take it out of the equation and it's all back to normal. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

im gonna try to take appart the handle bar switch, maybe something wrong there
and ill bypass the kickstand switch/sensor too

yes the bike will fireup within an instant

once the bike dies, the fuel pump will continue priming for a few sec and then stop, JUST as it would when hitting the red switch on the right when about to fireup the bike

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That you're hearing the fuel pump prime right after it dies isn't good from a trouble shooting point of view seeing as it means that the problem has already corrected itself which will make it a hard problem to find.

I like your thought of the kill switch. If it were me I'd take it apart, bridge it, and test it... although that won't tell you if the wire running from it is itself bad. Seeing as your lights, gauges, etc... stay on when it dies then I'm thinking "no" to ignition. I believe the TOS is wired to close a circuit if activated so I don't think it would be there either.

I hate electrical. My TLS went through a period where I kept blowing the acc fuse. I carried a box of them on me for a while until I realized that the horn was grounding out on the frame, but only if the bars were at oh-so slight of an certain angle when I hit a very certain amount of a bump. A little pull on the mount and all was good again.

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

i just came from the garage, jumped the wires for the computer
it threw me a code...

c00 = no fault

ill try the kickstand switch bypass, but question is, how could that solve the problem if the bike shuts off in neutral while just standing there?!

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When the bike's ignition is turned off the code is reset. Can you keep it in dealer mode, and see if there is a code thrown when the bike shuts off?

Bike is idling at 1200 rpm?

ok so im back once more

i took apart the kill switch, no problem there, all wires are completly fine
i bypassed the kickstand, still no change
the TOS is competly fine, i took it apart a few days ago, everything works fine, the circuit gets closed once the ring hits the metal part

i had the bike in dealer mode, rode around, turned it off, turned it on, still the same C00
and yes the bike is a steady 1200-1250

im gonna leave this till tommorow, gonna try to sleep good, and on a fresh head tommorow, go and give everything a nice check once again
and this time im gonna bust out the volt meter, im gonna go buy one tommorow :/


(side note, hey SLAP, how long have you had your ninja 500?? i remember your sig from years ago, and it was always that ninja :P )

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

i had the bike in dealer mode, rode around, turned it off, turned it on, still the same C00

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Did your bike shutoff on you while it was in dealer mode though? If not, try to keep it in dealer mode until it does, then see if a different code appears.

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Originally Posted by Hi RPM

(side note, hey SLAP, how long have you had your ninja 500?? i remember your sig from years ago, and it was always that ninja :P )

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Yes sir, old faithful is still kickin'. Had it for 6 years now.